Sikhi in Malwa

[Premi5]

On 1/6/2022 at 10:40 PM, proactive said:

Before the areas like Jagraon, Moga, down to Muktsar became rich farmland a large part of these area were desolate and covered with many sand dunes. It was referred to a Jangal Des. Only in the 1920s and after partition were many of these sand dunes removed and the land started to be extensively cultivated. Even in the 1970s I remember that sand dunes were removed from close to my village. When the area become rich farmland it lost the title of Jangal Des. 

 

On 1/6/2022 at 10:47 PM, SikhKosh said:

Don't you refer to the areas of Ganganagar, Hanumangarh and so on as Jangal Desh, the way they've been historically referred to ? Is yours another Jangal Des or part of the Ganganagar one ?

@proactive please respond when you get a chance, jee.

Also, if you have more info on emigration history of Malwai and Malwains, and even Doabe and Majhe wale to other countries that would be very interesting

[proactive]

On 1/6/2022 at 10:47 PM, SikhKosh said:

Don't you refer to the areas of Ganganagar, Hanumangarh and so on as Jangal Desh, the way they've been historically referred to ? Is yours another Jangal Des or part of the Ganganagar one ?

It could be extension of a larger Jangal Des which was covered with sand dunes from Bikaner to just south of the Satluj. After the Maharaja of Bikaner settled Punjabi farmers in the Ganganagar area and it become cultivated through canal irrigation the Jangal Des title started losing meaning there as well. 

[Premi5]

https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/features/majha-versus-malwa-punjabi-word-war-111837

Majha versus Malwa: Punjabi word war

Dialects of Malwai and Majhi are so dissimilar, it is not funny

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Sarika Sharma

Divided by Beas and Sutlej, Majha and Malwa regions of Punjab have largely been united in culture. The nitty-gritty, the finer points, however, have always been a bone of contention, sometimes in a lighter vein, but, not always! As lockdown tethered them to their homes, NRIs Raji and Veenu, who go by their first names in their virtual lives, engaged in a light banter to bring out these nuances in their video series, Majha Vs Malwa, which went viral on the now-banned TikTok and was shared on WhatsApp around here so many times. The videos are now part of their YouTube channel, Sadi Life.

In the three-part vlog, the sisters-in-law engage in a war of words. Raji, who hails from Malwa, starts off with a random word in Malwai and Veenu gives a Majhi word for the same. And while it begins with basic words such as roka and thaka for engagement, shalgam and gonglu for turnip, khaaj and khurk for itch, it gets complex. There are words you haven’t heard; tones underlining the difference. It is as much fun as it is enlightening. If the street is called bihi in Malwa, it is gali in Majha; anger is aakad in Malwa and duss in Majha; if Malwa-wallahs call a corner khunja, in Majha it is nukkar; a sua (a smaller canal) turns nkhasu as you look towards Amritsar; haday (pleas) are tarlay in Majha; if the ubiquitous broom is radka in Malwa, it is bokar in Majha!

YouTube channel, Sadi Life, was launched in 2019 by three brothers — Kulvinder Singh, Preet Gill, Navjit Singh, and their brother-in-law Sarab Singh. They wanted to share glimpses into their North American Punjabi lifestyle. It was during the lockdown that Raji and Veenu, who have been in the US for 20 years, got involved.

Born and bred in Patiala, Raji hails from Malwa whereas Veenu is from Amritsar, Majha region. They say the idea of Majha vs Malwa was derived from their own confusions and understanding, rather misunderstanding, of each other’s dialects. Sometimes Veenu would ask Raji for something, but Raji would have no idea what to do since she didn’t understand Majhi and vice versa. “We decided to make a TikTok and YouTube video for entertainment purposes, comparing and contrasting our two different dialects. Much to our surprise, the video went viral and was shared on all major social media platforms,” says Raji. The family was flooded with phone calls from relatives and friends settled worldwide.

The videos evoked mixed feelings in people — it was fun for some and overwhelming for others. “People were thrilled that we brought back words they hadn’t heard since childhood and were perhaps in danger of extinction from the vocabulary of next generation of Punjabis,” says Veenu.

After the first video went viral, people wanted more and some even suggested as to which words to include in the next vlog. Some wanted a Majha vs Doaba, which they followed up with shortly. The duo says it feels proud to have represented its language in such a way and to have started a dialogue about its preservation. “We enjoy making videos exploring various idiosyncrasies of Punjabi culture. We also like to discuss topics such as mental health, that might be considered taboo.”

Raji and Veenu say they take pride in celebrating Punjabiyat every day even as they live away from their homeland. “It’s wonderful to share our rich language, culture, and heritage with the world. It doesn’t matter where Punjabis reside on this planet; we are all connected at the heart!”

[5aaban]

On 1/30/2022 at 8:04 PM, Premi5 said:

https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/features/majha-versus-malwa-punjabi-word-war-111837

Majha versus Malwa: Punjabi word war

Dialects of Malwai and Majhi are so dissimilar, it is not funny

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• Updated At: Jul 12, 2020 08:02 AM (IST)

Sarika Sharma

Divided by Beas and Sutlej, Majha and Malwa regions of Punjab have largely been united in culture. The nitty-gritty, the finer points, however, have always been a bone of contention, sometimes in a lighter vein, but, not always! As lockdown tethered them to their homes, NRIs Raji and Veenu, who go by their first names in their virtual lives, engaged in a light banter to bring out these nuances in their video series, Majha Vs Malwa, which went viral on the now-banned TikTok and was shared on WhatsApp around here so many times. The videos are now part of their YouTube channel, Sadi Life.

In the three-part vlog, the sisters-in-law engage in a war of words. Raji, who hails from Malwa, starts off with a random word in Malwai and Veenu gives a Majhi word for the same. And while it begins with basic words such as roka and thaka for engagement, shalgam and gonglu for turnip, khaaj and khurk for itch, it gets complex. There are words you haven’t heard; tones underlining the difference. It is as much fun as it is enlightening. If the street is called bihi in Malwa, it is gali in Majha; anger is aakad in Malwa and duss in Majha; if Malwa-wallahs call a corner khunja, in Majha it is nukkar; a sua (a smaller canal) turns nkhasu as you look towards Amritsar; haday (pleas) are tarlay in Majha; if the ubiquitous broom is radka in Malwa, it is bokar in Majha!

YouTube channel, Sadi Life, was launched in 2019 by three brothers — Kulvinder Singh, Preet Gill, Navjit Singh, and their brother-in-law Sarab Singh. They wanted to share glimpses into their North American Punjabi lifestyle. It was during the lockdown that Raji and Veenu, who have been in the US for 20 years, got involved.

Born and bred in Patiala, Raji hails from Malwa whereas Veenu is from Amritsar, Majha region. They say the idea of Majha vs Malwa was derived from their own confusions and understanding, rather misunderstanding, of each other’s dialects. Sometimes Veenu would ask Raji for something, but Raji would have no idea what to do since she didn’t understand Majhi and vice versa. “We decided to make a TikTok and YouTube video for entertainment purposes, comparing and contrasting our two different dialects. Much to our surprise, the video went viral and was shared on all major social media platforms,” says Raji. The family was flooded with phone calls from relatives and friends settled worldwide.

The videos evoked mixed feelings in people — it was fun for some and overwhelming for others. “People were thrilled that we brought back words they hadn’t heard since childhood and were perhaps in danger of extinction from the vocabulary of next generation of Punjabis,” says Veenu.

After the first video went viral, people wanted more and some even suggested as to which words to include in the next vlog. Some wanted a Majha vs Doaba, which they followed up with shortly. The duo says it feels proud to have represented its language in such a way and to have started a dialogue about its preservation. “We enjoy making videos exploring various idiosyncrasies of Punjabi culture. We also like to discuss topics such as mental health, that might be considered taboo.”

Raji and Veenu say they take pride in celebrating Punjabiyat every day even as they live away from their homeland. “It’s wonderful to share our rich language, culture, and heritage with the world. It doesn’t matter where Punjabis reside on this planet; we are all connected at the heart!”

 

[proactive]

1 hour ago, Premi5 said:

If the street is called bihi in Malwa, it is gali in Majha; anger is aakad in Malwa and duss in Majha; if Malwa-wallahs call a corner khunja, in Majha it is nukkar; a sua (a smaller canal) turns nkhasu as you look towards Amritsar; haday (pleas) are tarlay in Majha; if the ubiquitous broom is radka in Malwa, it is bokar in Majha!

 

In many places both words are used. Like in Jagraon it is both a Bihi and a Gali. Anger is Gussa, never heard of Duss. Akkarh as in Toon Akkarh Da - is more of an expression  meaning 'you acting tough'. It's just Khunja for corner, Sua for small canal never heard of Nkhasu. 

[Premi5]

Anyone who has not heard/read about Katha from Sri Suraj Prakash Granth about Dasam Patshah blessing Malwe di dharti , you can listen this Katha from around 3 mins 

http://www.gurbaniupdesh.org/multimedia/04-Katha/12-Amrit Bani (12 CD Set)/04-Ithaas Paatshahi Dasvin/Katha Ithaas Patshahi Dasveen-04.mp3

 

[BhForce]

On 2/27/2018 at 5:11 PM, Guest said:

Guru nanak dev ji used to swear and use harsh vocabulary. The sakhi was that he started swearing and scaring the villagers. Ill try finding the sakhi if i can.

"Used to"? If Guru ji did something one time to show the Sikhs something, that does not mean habitual use, as in "used to".