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One of the main reasons muslim guys try to groom non-muslim girls


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It's mostly a South Asian custom, isn't it? I know a few Iranian and Lebanese people, and they turn their nose up at some of the things that pass for culture amongst the Muslim communities in our neck of the woods. It's not even a Sunni or Shia thing, although the Lebanese I know are Shia, lol. There are a few constants across the Islamic continuum regardless of geography, but the guys I'm acquainted with are day and night different to the likes of the Mirpuris and the Bangla crews.

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17 hours ago, superkaur said:

My muslim female co-worker whom I am good friends with was discussing marriage customs, when she told me that muslim men have to give the bride girls family dowry in order for the girls family to agree to marry her to him and his family. I found that kinda of strange as its the opposite custom in our indian marriage traditions where its the girls family that gives dowry and pays for the wedding.

I soon realised that its because that muslim men feel that this is a burden on them financially that they go and try to groom, convert and marry non-muslim girls so that they do not have to give any dowry to the girls family. It also makes sense in terms of destorying the non-muslim communities population and spreading muslim demographics. Its a win win for muslim men if they can manage to get away with it making the non-muslim girl run away with them so its a greater incentive to do it than say a non-muslim guy to take a muslim girl away from her family. Also theologically speaking if you convert a kafir non-believer to islam you get brownie points from dallah with a ticket to paradise.

This is why there's so many cases of muslim men having groomed and made non-muslim girls run away with them trapping them in "love jihad". They have nothing to lose and its only to their advantage that they do it.

Once non-muslim girls understands the mindset of the enemy they will never even template to get with a muslim guy.

You should discuss your conclusion with your good friend. Let us know what she says

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17 hours ago, superkaur said:

My muslim female co-worker whom I am good friends with was discussing marriage customs, when she told me that muslim men have to give the bride girls family dowry in order for the girls family to agree to marry her to him and his family. I found that kinda of strange as its the opposite custom in our indian marriage traditions where its the girls family that gives dowry and pays for the wedding.

I soon realised that its because that muslim men feel that this is a burden on them financially that they go and try to groom, convert and marry non-muslim girls so that they do not have to give any dowry to the girls family. It also makes sense in terms of destorying the non-muslim communities population and spreading muslim demographics. Its a win win for muslim men if they can manage to get away with it making the non-muslim girl run away with them so its a greater incentive to do it than say a non-muslim guy to take a muslim girl away from her family. Also theologically speaking if you convert a kafir non-believer to islam you get brownie points from dallah with a ticket to paradise.

This is why there's so many cases of muslim men having groomed and made non-muslim girls run away with them trapping them in "love jihad". They have nothing to lose and its only to their advantage that they do it.

Once non-muslim girls understands the mindset of the enemy they will never even template to get with a muslim guy.

If the muslim "dowry" system has led them to groom and convert non-muslim girls, why hasn't the indian system (where dowry is much, much more prevalent often leading to violence, divorce, deaths etc) led indians to groom and convert non-hindu boys?

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23 minutes ago, S4NGH said:

If the muslim "dowry" system has led them to groom and convert non-muslim girls, why hasn't the indian system (where dowry is much, much more prevalent often leading to violence, divorce, deaths etc) led indians to groom and convert non-hindu boys?

it has led to violence and death  and they are grooming non-hindu girls and boys , with emphasis on girls ...basically both major faiths are plundering our daughters to prevent our sons and our panth's future growth. They are both equally antagonistic towards sikhi, with hindus openly declaring they will convert our gurdwarey to their mandirs ...just as much as salafi guys say converting to mosques . Sikhi was always meant to remain 'engarde' but we were lulled into complacency because it wasn't a direct attack but gradual

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5 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

it has led to violence and death  and they are grooming non-hindu girls and boys , with emphasis on girls ...basically both major faiths are plundering our daughters to prevent our sons and our panth's future growth. They are both equally antagonistic towards sikhi, with hindus openly declaring they will convert our gurdwarey to their mandirs ...just as much as salafi guys say converting to mosques . Sikhi was always meant to remain 'engarde' but we were lulled into complacency because it wasn't a direct attack but gradual

Agree with your points penji but hindus converting/grooming sikhs and other no-hindus is not a result of the dowry system. That was my point... Superkaurs premise is flawed.

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3 hours ago, superkaur said:

No shes pakistani sunni muslim.

Whats the majority dowry marriage system in pakistan? Most muslims I've asked have said its the guy or his family that pays the girls family.

Shia sunni does not matter.Social norms are followed by every one.For most of the time its the girls family who pays for dowry .If you are going to marry a Punjabi girls you don't have to pay anything to girls family its the other way around.Girls family gives dowry.However there are very rare instances when a man is unable to marry a punjabi girl or no body is willing is to marry his daughter to him.In that case he would simply buy a pathani (a woman from the province of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa ).He would pay to the father of bride and bring the bride to punjab.I know one such person from my village .But this is in very rare cases.In majority cases its the girls family which provides dowry.I read an article a few months back that some people in Indian Punjab also buy women from poor states like Bihar.But that can't be presented as proof that majority Indian Punjabis pay for the bride.I hope you got my point by now.
On the other hand I have talked to many people returning from Arab countries who told me that in Arab countries its the groom who pays to bride's family.

 

 

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1 hour ago, YOYO29 said:

Shia sunni does not matter.Social norms are followed by every one.For most of the time its the girls family who pays for dowry .If you are going to marry a Punjabi girls you don't have to pay anything to girls family its the other way around.Girls family gives dowry.However there are very rare instances when a man is unable to marry a punjabi girl or no body is willing is to marry his daughter to him.In that case he would simply buy a pathani (a woman from the province of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa ).He would pay to the father of bride and bring the bride to punjab.I know one such person from my village .But this is in very rare cases.In majority cases its the girls family which provides dowry.I read an article a few months back that some people in Indian Punjab also buy women from poor states like Bihar.But that can't be presented as proof that majority Indian Punjabis pay for the bride.I hope you got my point by now.
On the other hand I have talked to many people returning from Arab countries who told me that in Arab countries its the groom who pays to bride's family.

 

 

That's interesting however on islamic websites it states something similar to this:

In Islam, a mahr (in Arabic: مهر‎; Persian: مهريه‎; Turkish: Mehir also transliterated mehr, meher, mehrieh or mahriyeh) is a mandatory payment, in the form of money or possessions paid or promised to be paid by the groom, or by groom's father, to the bride at the time of marriage, that legally becomes her property.

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