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I remember when jagmeet Singh was cycling to work and people were praising him for keeping things simple and not destroying the environment by driving a car.  I guess that was an act as well.  Flying

And where are you on a scale of 1-10 on following puran maryada of sri guru nanak dev ji? Are you a better gursikh then jagmeet singh? According to gurbani are you beautiful or ugly?

typical B.S on this thread which symbolises everything with our kaum today... which is 'amritdharis' becoming masters of nindiyah. Yeah i agree jagmeets wedding etc isnt a conventional gursikh wedding

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45 minutes ago, Prokharkoo84 said:

typical B.S on this thread which symbolises everything with our kaum today... which is 'amritdharis' becoming masters of nindiyah. Yeah i agree jagmeets wedding etc isnt a conventional gursikh wedding, nor his is mrs. I agree that Guru Sahib shouldnt be taken to beaches, BUT wake up people. The guy has become an icon, made amritdharis and singhs in particular look good on a global level, he has a raised the voice of 1984 and generally has made our kaum proud. in the real world, instead of cussing him for marryin a non amrtidhari, maybe we should rate him for getting with a girl whose actually good looking and seems quite popular? Lets be real, most 'amritdharis' would love a mrs like that but oh wait the rehit police will be after them lol. Why dont we rate the girl, accepting a gursikh as a partner? Once again lets be real, how many non amrtidhari girls prefer gursikh guys? Sad yes, but its the era of kaljug. People cussing his dress sense? but yet probs the same guys u see at every smagm in the same clothes over again. until the nindiyah stops - which if you read bani is a major thing that bani teaches us against, we aint gona get nowhere as a kaum. food for thought... has anyone actually spoke to jagmeet as a brother, spoke about any issues and actually tried to explain anything back with facts from bani? or let me guess, its just cyber nindiyah lol.

bro , fact is if you know you're an 'icon' to immpressionable youth especially the gursikh ones you shouldn't be undermining rehit or pointing out that forget the amritdhari girls just marry whoever .. I have no problem with them marrying, frankly it is about time, five years of dating is more than enough and they will get phal accordingly but it does create another problem which many gursikh girls are complaining about . Being ignored because they are not slapped up with makeup , tweezed and plucked to suit some Westernised BS agenda  like the dolly birds who wouldn't know sikhi if it landed in their lap.
There have been some rather nasty comments made by some guys which illustrate this mental attitude that somehow if a girl is willing to follow same rehit as their brothers somehow she is wrong especially if she doesn't do roma di beadbhi . I think people need to look hard at themselves , it's easy for a guy to be hypercritical of females you've had centuries of practice but honestly it underlines your own weaknesses .

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3 minutes ago, Prokharkoo84 said:

I get what you saying bro but Gursikhs should in theory be pakkeh in their own thing than to be swayed by one individual. I get gursikh women feel they be shunned, but even if he married one gursikh girl, he wouldnt have married the remainder. the guys had a love marriage with someone who he actually loves, and like i said before, gotta rate the girl for not rejecting him due to his sikhi saroop. bigger issue here is that all the haters are appearing to be jelous and on the nindiyah bandwagon.

Of course he couldn't marry all girls but it still plants a seed ...Other young guys who are yet to get pakkeh are the ones I'm talking about 1. he had a GF for Five years  bad idea for gursikh temptation aside it is not acceptable  generally  2. He picked someone who doesn't accept basic rehit of kesh

err please don't get it the wrong way around, she's damn lucky she got a decent guy with sikhi saroop and some sense of sikhi... we should not be so quick to denigrate sikhi saroop or our own sikhi in front of worldy people

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2 hours ago, californiasardar1 said:

People have to understand, there are already very few keshdhari Sikhs, and a disproportionately large percentage of young keshdhari Sikhs are never marrying and never having children.  It's an overall positive thing to see keshdhari Sikhs getting married (even to partners who are not in full Sikhi) and produce children who might carry on our faith.  This is a matter of survival.

It is very unfortunate.

Most desi women from past generation were more-or-less keshdhari. There are way more keshdhari sikh women than men from last generation.

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2 hours ago, californiasardar1 said:

Young keshdhari Sikh men probably outnumber young keshdhari Sikh women by 3 to 1 or 4 to 1.

Regarding this: 1) Is this from your personal observation, or anything beyond that? 2) If this is indeed the case, then what do you surmise could possibly be the reason for this? Usually females are more religious than men. They take their children to church, mandir, gurdwara, etc. more than men do. What can explain this difference?

2 hours ago, californiasardar1 said:

A Singh with a girl who has shed her kesh is not ideal, but I'd rather see that than see a Singh discard his kesh and marry a girl who has also discarded her kesh.

When you put it strictly in these terms, I agree.

2 hours ago, californiasardar1 said:

But if a girl without her kesh marries a Singh, at least there is some chance that their children will be raised keshdhari

I'd agree that there's some chance, but then there's the idea that at a certain age, the kids will say, "If Mom doesn't keep her kes, why do we have to?" And what will the answer to that be?

Or, perhaps, it'll be that the son will keep kes, and the girl will not?

But if that were to become common, it would probably also lead to the end of kes for males, as well. Because at a certain point, males will say, "If females don't have to keep kes, why do we?"

Difficult situation all around. Caused by our loss of our Raj.

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4 minutes ago, ipledgeblue said:

It is very unfortunate.

Most desi women from past generation were more-or-less keshdhari. There are way more keshdhari sikh women than men from last generation.

You make a great point.  I remember when I was a kid.  You'd see a clean shaven Sikh uncle, and almost without exception, his wife would still have uncut hair tied in a bun.  Almost all the "uncles" in our social circle were monay, but I really cannot recall every seeing an "auntie" type with a haircut.  (Perhaps the situation was different in the UK where, by the 80s and 90s, there were already "auntie" types who were born in (or grew up in) the UK and maybe they had haircuts.)

In Punjab, certainly, the hair cutting trend among Sikh men started long, long before it picked up among Sikh women.

It's shocking just how quickly it has somehow become more prevalent among Sikh women.  I blame Sikh parents who take a sexist attitude and focus on their sons and their Sikhi while looking the other way when it comes to their daughters.

 

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1 hour ago, BhForce said:

Regarding this: 1) Is this from your personal observation, or anything beyond that? 2) If this is indeed the case, then what do you surmise could possibly be the reason for this? Usually females are more religious than men. They take their children to church, mandir, gurdwara, etc. more than men do. What can explain this difference?

When you put it strictly in these terms, I agree.

I'd agree that there's some chance, but then there's the idea that at a certain age, the kids will say, "If Mom doesn't keep her kes, why do we have to?" And what will the answer to that be?

Or, perhaps, it'll be that the son will keep kes, and the girl will not?

But if that were to become common, it would probably also lead to the end of kes for males, as well. Because at a certain point, males will say, "If females don't have to keep kes, why do we?"

Difficult situation all around. Caused by our loss of our Raj.

given that the mother is the primary teacher of a child , sikhi in her kids  make or break rests on her shoulders . Thus my contention that the women should always be fully in line with sikhi even if they are still working towards amrit , I've seen too many moni women destroying the sikhi of their children especially the girls' because the dad's family will argue somewhat for the grandsons not the granddaughters

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9 hours ago, californiasardar1 said:

You make a great point.  I remember when I was a kid.  You'd see a clean shaven Sikh uncle, and almost without exception, his wife would still have uncut hair tied in a bun.

That was preferable, I think. If the dad's a mona who drinks, that's bad, but still the mother can tell the kids "don't drink, don't cut your hair". (It doesn't work in reverse.) Meanwhile, the Gurdwara gianis can then reinforce that teaching with katha on Sikh rehit and ethics.

The problem is, the Gurdwara gianis never got around to talking about why we shouldn't drink or cut our hair, because the committees didn't allow them to do that. The moment somebody would say don't cut your hair, they'd get sacked from Gurdwara employment, because the committee was monas, as well. 

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On 24/02/2018 at 5:05 PM, BhForce said:

Have you considered that maybe on this one special day, he didn't want to "bike" to his wedding? I thought people were criticizing him for marrying a non-Amritdhari. That is warranted. To begrudge him not having a super-simple wedding is not warranted.

I suppose you're also upset that he and his bride wore finery on this one special day instead of khaddar (homespun cotton)? If they wanted to wear khaddar, that's fine, too, but they didn't, and that's fine, too. Compared to what some brides wear, her clothes are extremely conservative: no cleavage, no bare midriff, no arms even. What's the problem?

What you're saying would have some import in context. The fact is whenever there's a wedding among our people, rows upon rows of airplanes are filled with people flying out (or in). If that were not the case, then your complaining about Jagmeet Singh's airplane ride would have an impact, but it doesn't.

Huh? Then on what basis?

Are you serious? What are you even talking about? Did you not see the pictures @jkvlondon posted here? Just so there's no misunderstanding, here's the actual wedding pic (attached).

I ask you again: She's wearing a chunni (on her head, not around her as a fashion accessory on her shoulders). What else do you want?

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Marrying a patit is not a special day.  The special day he should have paid attention to was when he took Amrit from the Punj pyare and told her 5 years ago, take Amrit or I'm gone.  He lied to the public by pretending to be worried about the environment by driving a bicycle.  He got engaged to a patit woman and throw everything good out of the window.  

Anyone who has the ability to use social media has seen she is not an amritdhari.

Also answer my questions.   

 If she was concerned about covering her head even not in the presence of Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji, then how come during the proposal she has her hair open and uncovered? 

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13 hours ago, Prokharkoo84 said:

I get what you saying bro but Gursikhs should in theory be pakkeh in their own thing than to be swayed by one individual. I get gursikh women feel they be shunned, but even if he married one gursikh girl, he wouldnt have married the remainder. the guys had a love marriage with someone who he actually loves, and like i said before, gotta rate the girl for not rejecting him due to his sikhi saroop. bigger issue here is that all the haters are appearing to be jelous and on the nindiyah bandwagon.

Why would anyone want to marry a patit woman in the first place.  According to Gurbani she is an ugly woman.  Only insecure men want these type of woman in and are scared around these women.  

He loved a patit woman.  When the insecure boys can't find anything to say, the other person is jealous.  Jealous of what, he married a patit woman who dances around revealing her body and has no sense of Gurbani.  She sings filthy Punjabi music for fun.  Only a fool would marry such a woman.  Smart men who don't care about religion will mess around with these type of girls and give them the boot once they are bored.  

Learn the definition of nindiya (slander).  

Also he's a patit now.  

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8 hours ago, garch said:

Nindiya = people in glass houses throwing stones

 

This singh probably does more good then all of us put together. hes obviously no Saint but he's on the right path.

maharaj bless him and the rest of us strength to become a better and stronger singhs then we already are.

so many SJWs on here. The dude's done more than me, I'll give him props for that.  Chalo, I'm sure a-lot of the critics are better people than everyone here. 

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