Free-masonic 'Sikhs'

[BhForce]

On 3/11/2018 at 5:39 AM, GurjantGnostic said:

On 3/11/2018 at 3:26 AM, Guest 123 said:

Why are you guys highlighting gupt things on a public forum? 

 

...errr uhhh.shoot....it's the gupt section?! 

..err..ahem

Lol! 

[BhForce]

On 3/11/2018 at 2:15 AM, Guest Mahakaal96 said:

Baba Santa Singhs katha & teeka on Sarbloh should have been kept within the Khalsa/Nihang ranks but after he passed away those looking for monetary gain out the teeka into mass print & sold copies of the katha tapes.

You're saying the Sarbloh teeka commonly available was published after his passing? But what explains the forward he wrote to that? It's written in a way that could only be oriented towards a mass audience, not a select group of Nihangs who already believe in the text.

In the forward, he uses various means of argument, including internal evidence to prove that the Sarbloh Granth is Guru Gobind Singh ji's work. He uses words like "shankavadi". There would be no reason for writing such an essay for an audience of Nihangs.

On 3/11/2018 at 2:15 AM, Guest Mahakaal96 said:

All these moorakhs who are putting up translation sites & videos on Sarbloh Bani are making a massive massive mistake.... only Guru sahib knows what their punishment will be!

Yeah, about secret knowledge, another point which was highlighted on, I believe this forum a while ago, was the possibility of Muslims imitating Sikhs, especially in regards to kirpan-wearing on airplanes. Now, how could they imitate a Sikh? Well, the first step would be to tie a turban. And where would they learn that? Certainly not from any self-respecting Sikh.

Oh, wait, we have ourselves put tutorials on how to imitate a Sikh online for the entire world. It's call turban videos on Youtube.

On 3/11/2018 at 2:15 AM, Guest Mahakaal96 said:

Every powerful nation, army, king etc have a secret treasury & weapons etc..... Sarbloh was 1 of ours... those who are parading it in the open (just to look special so people think ‘wow’ he knows Sarbloh Bani) are idiots & fame hungry sellouts!

OK, what about the Khalsa Mehima shabads? These are quite widely spread in the Panth, even among those who have never even heard of the Sarbloh Granth.

[Mahakaal96]

On 13/03/2018 at 12:10 AM, BhForce said:

You're saying the Sarbloh teeka commonly available was published after his passing? But what explains the forward he wrote to that? It's written in a way that could only be oriented towards a mass audience, not a select group of Nihangs who already believe in the text.

In the forward, he uses various means of argument, including internal evidence to prove that the Sarbloh Granth is Guru Gobind Singh ji's work. He uses words like "shankavadi". There would be no reason for writing such an essay for an audience of Nihangs.

Yeah, about secret knowledge, another point which was highlighted on, I believe this forum a while ago, was the possibility of Muslims imitating Sikhs, especially in regards to kirpan-wearing on airplanes. Now, how could they imitate a Sikh? Well, the first step would be to tie a turban. And where would they learn that? Certainly not from any self-respecting Sikh.

Oh, wait, we have ourselves put tutorials on how to imitate a Sikh online for the entire world. It's call turban videos on Youtube.

OK, what about the Khalsa Mehima shabads? These are quite widely spread in the Panth, even among those who have never even heard of the Sarbloh Granth.

 

During Baba Santa Singhs time Budha Dal had its own printing press. It was impossible to get a copy of the teeka or Sarbloh granth without making a request in person at Budha Dal. It’s possible the mass printing started towards the end of his life as he was bed bound.

Students being taught Sarbloh Bani would still have to be taught about its background & authenticity as a preparation to face questions regarding authenticity & as a general lesson in the history of Sarbloh Granth. It’s important to know the unthanika of each Bani/pangti but also just as important to know the historical facts about the granth itself.

In Vedic scholarly dharmic granths are measured against the 3 farmaans (lokic, Vedic, swaiy) & then judged on vishashta, samanta & bugta...... students would need all the historical background & evidence etc to have this level of knowledge about the granth

Baba Gurbachan Singh Bhindranwale warned his students that in the future an attack will be launched against Sri Dasam Granth. Baba Ji’s instructions were that established/older vidyartis should counter the attack & that no one from Taksal should doubt Dasam Bani & fall for the lies of the opposition. This warning was given despite Taksalis being adherents of Sri Dasam Granth.

In regards to Khalsa Mehima I think this was added by Dasam Mahraj at Sri Sarbloh Bunga Hazur sahib. It’s possible it existed separately, similar to how different banis from Dasam Granth were first in separate granths. 

Khalsa mehima is praise of Khalsa.... it does not contain anything that needs to be kept gupt.... the Nihangs openly did kirtan of Khalsa mehima

 

[Guest Sikh Freemason]

SSAJi

It is quite sad to see ill informed people making comments based on outdated conspiracy theories.

There is no conflict between being a Sikh and a Freemason.  In fact Freemasonary supports many of the principles of Sikhi (especially charity and helping others in need)

The only requirements of being a Freemason are -

i) You are male

ii) Above the age of 21

iii) Believe in God or a supreme being. (you cannot become a Freemason if you are an atheist)

There is no discussion of religion (or politics) at masonic meetings.  Freemasonry is not a secret society (you can visit Freemasons Hall in Great Queen Street, Holborn, London).  

Freemasons donate huge sums of money for charity - this is not money raised from others like Rotary, but donated by Freemasons themselves.  

In recent times London Freemasons have donated -

- £2,000,000 for a state of the art Cyberknife for Barts Hospital

-£2,000,000 for London's second air amnbulance

- 5 rapid responder cars for London Ambulance service

In the wake of the Grenfell tragedy they are currently raising £2,500,000 to purchase 2 extended high raise aerial vehicles for the London Fire Brigade.

This is amongst many other grants to charities helping disadvantaged children, the sick and elderly.

I would suggest we stick to facts rather than hyperbole .  You may like to read more here -

https://www.londonmasons.org.uk/in-the-community

https://www.freemasonrytoday.com/more-news/provinces-districts-a-groups/london-freemasons-launch-2-5-million-fire-brigade-appeal

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest daas guest singh]

21 hours ago, Guest Sikh Freemason said:

) You are male

Isnt that opposed to one of the core sikh beliefs of gender equality 

[puzzled]

The last store I worked in shut down, it was several floors. On the 2nd floor right at the bottom of the escalator there was a triangle with a capital G in it. It was yellowish gold in colour.  Out high street is dyeing almost dead   empty shops everywhere, interestingly  our store was the 1st was bought by the council.    Of all the empty store buildings that have been shut for nearly 10s years they only bought this one.  We think the positioning of ot under the escalator, basically stairs, symbolised something too. 

Councils are dodgy and involved in all of this stuff.

Freemasons at the top of the chain are dodgy and do sacrifices and all sorts of demonic stuff .  The regular ones are just normal ordinary people.  Its who at the top which is not. 

[GurjantGnostic]

On 3/22/2020 at 2:26 AM, Guest Sikh Freemason said:

SSAJi

It is quite sad to see ill informed people making comments based on outdated conspiracy theories.

There is no conflict between being a Sikh and a Freemason.  In fact Freemasonary supports many of the principles of Sikhi (especially charity and helping others in need)

The only requirements of being a Freemason are -

i) You are male

ii) Above the age of 21

iii) Believe in God or a supreme being. (you cannot become a Freemason if you are an atheist)

There is no discussion of religion (or politics) at masonic meetings.  Freemasonry is not a secret society (you can visit Freemasons Hall in Great Queen Street, Holborn, London).  

Freemasons donate huge sums of money for charity - this is not money raised from others like Rotary, but donated by Freemasons themselves.  

In recent times London Freemasons have donated -

- £2,000,000 for a state of the art Cyberknife for Barts Hospital

-£2,000,000 for London's second air amnbulance

- 5 rapid responder cars for London Ambulance service

In the wake of the Grenfell tragedy they are currently raising £2,500,000 to purchase 2 extended high raise aerial vehicles for the London Fire Brigade.

This is amongst many other grants to charities helping disadvantaged children, the sick and elderly.

I would suggest we stick to facts rather than hyperbole .  You may like to read more here -

https://www.londonmasons.org.uk/in-the-community

https://www.freemasonrytoday.com/more-news/provinces-districts-a-groups/london-freemasons-launch-2-5-million-fire-brigade-appeal

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bro...I know what Masons get up to and it is not cohesive with Sikia.  It's not bad, lots of masonic friends...but it's not Gurmat and whatever charity they do doesn't make it Gurmat. Since you're not being secretive right?How about you share some rituals and rights of passage and see what the Sangat think?

[GurjantGnostic]

On 3/22/2020 at 2:26 AM, Guest Sikh Freemason said:

£2,000,000 for a state of the art Cyberknife for Barts Hospital

-£2,000,000 for London's second air amnbulance

- 5 rapid responder cars for London Ambulance service

In the wake of the Grenfell tragedy they are currently raising £2,500,000 to purchase 2 extended high raise aerial vehicles for the London Fire Brigade.

And for the record that isn't charity exactly. It's like voluntary taxes or something. 

I know, since y'all charitable...lets get a cool 2 mil for the widows and mothers of Shaheeds bro!

I mean I know the poor british imperial government that used to blow the back out your brothers with cannon are on hard times and all...

[puzzled]

On 3/23/2020 at 6:59 AM, Guest daas guest singh said:

Isnt that opposed to one of the core sikh beliefs of gender equality

Equality does not mean sameness, people get the two confused. Men are better at some things than women and in some women are better than men. Men and women are different not the same. 

Gender equality does not equal sameness 

[ipledgeblue]

20 hours ago, puzzled said:

Equality does not mean sameness, people get the two confused. Men are better at some things than women and in some women are better than men. Men and women are different not the same. 

Gender equality does not equal sameness 

yes for sikhi, it's more about equity than equality.

 

however, for freemasons, I don't see the need to exclude women.