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21 hours ago, N30S1NGH said:

i prefer neil macdonald over terry. His recent article was bit biased but shed some jaw dropping revelations and reconfirming our suspicion that all sikhs been saying all long, he is bit vulgar but surely he spilled lot of beans recently-

http://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/jaspal-atwal-1.4563222

Yeah, you posted a link to this article in the other topic, too.

Good on your for reposting here. It deserves its own thread, very interesting article. Many interesting things:

1) He calls the Sikhs and India equally savage. This might rub Sikhs wrong, but it's actually a massive improvement over the likes of Jonathan Kay. He seems to thing India was some wonderful democratic paradise, marred by the Sikhs who were violent for no reason whatsoever. MacDonald is actually calling the Indian government actions savage.

2) He says the Indian intelligence agencies threatened Canada that "we'll take care of the Sikhs if you don't". This is a huge violation of Canada's sovereignty. I can't believe more is not being made of this. India simply does not have the right to kill people on Canadian soil (same vice versa).

3) How did Atwal get a visa to India? Has any "journalist" other than MacDonald (like Terry M or Jonathan Kay) been curious as to this question? If not, it shows their agenda.

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22 hours ago, N30S1NGH said:

I would have said it would have been racist but knowning singh activism in the past it was fair line of questioning which jagmeet singh himself admits last week-fair questions

Why do you say this bro? Jagmeet Singh only has activism of supporting basic rights of Sikh prisoners, or supporting Punjab, not of supporting terrorism or bombings.

As to the question of pictures of Parmar in a few Gurdwaras: How many such Gurdwaras are there? But secondly, perhaps Jagmeet should have said that the entire point behind the photos being there are that those Gurdwaras don't think that Parmar did it. It would be insane for a Gurdwara to claim that Parmar did it and to support him for doing so. Meaning, it's one thing to not accept that Parmar did it (you can call someone deluded for thinking that), but that's not the same thing as supporting the bombing.

Regarding 1984 resolutions, how about this: Propose a combined motion condemning the Jewish holocaust, Armenian genocide, Sikh genocide, and a few others thrown in for good measure, and then dare people to vote against it.

22 hours ago, N30S1NGH said:

4. He is yet to come up with actual framework platform of ndp for next election,

Yeah, what is exactly is he for? More taxes/less taxes? Deficit spending? Canada already has socialized medicine and auto insurance. What else does he want to nationalize? Automobile manufacturing?

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8 minutes ago, BhForce said:

2) He says the Indian intelligence agencies threatened Canada that "we'll take care of the Sikhs if you don't". This is a huge violation of Canada's sovereignty. I can't believe more is not being made of this. India simply does not have the right to kill people on Canadian soil (same vice versa).

Sikhs should not take this threat lightly, they should make this one of election issues put in the laps of conservatives to address it (if they wish to win sikh votes) by reassuring canadians and canadian sikhs over and over that they won't violating the canadian sikhs right by allowing alien foreign entity - India intelligence to espionage sabotage / espionage cdn sikhs here.

The problem is we been too polite with our political parties, especially conservatives. This needs to be addressed by both conservatives and liberals. Since liberals have shown they are protecting canadian right such as omar khadr conservatives have done more opposite they are projecting themselves pro tough on everything, they will not think twice throwing sikhs under the bus. Conservatives now are more influenced by trump than stephan harper. Stephen harper where credit its due was much better conserative pm, he told GOI in india, we beleive in freedom of expression and told them we beleive in protecting canadian rights when sikh separatism was raised.

 

 

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20 hours ago, genie said:

If that was a jewish candidate and he/she was campaigning to have the genocide against them by nazi germany recognised in law by Canadian parliament no one would be against it but we have racists and anti-sikh bigots in the canadian media and politics that need to be exposed.

Good point. Maybe somebody should mention this when being interviewed by Jonathan Kay, who is Jewish. His middle name is literally Hillel!

20 hours ago, genie said:

For once and to his credit Sunny hundal no stranger to controversy in the Sikh community for his anti-sikh and negative articles of past years.....has recently been very balanced against the tirade of attacks against Sikh politicians

Thank God he's come to his senses. Sunny of years past would have been the first one to condemn Sikhs and the Sikh Panth.

20 hours ago, genie said:

So if the target is jagmeet singh research all the articles a particular journalist has written about him and show the world that particular journalists and their publication a clear bias and racism against that Sikh politician.

We need to have a Sikh think tank, or something or that sort, that does research ops stuff like that. Make "journalists" (actually media partisans) squirm. Expose their hypocrisy.

20 hours ago, genie said:

Sikhs should concentrate on creating political think tanks, banks, huge wealth funds and businesses and use that power for the shadows to influence government policy.

Your point should be seriously considered. Staying behind the scenes might be a better approach.

Then again, if we can get our media message together, it might be just as well to exorcise the Air India bombing demon now.

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1 hour ago, BhForce said:

Why do you say this bro? Jagmeet Singh only has activism of supporting basic rights of Sikh prisoners, or supporting Punjab, not of supporting terrorism or bombings.

 

Singhs is known for sikh activism which is good but also his past activism of supporting troubling rajoana case-interjecting in indian constitution of death penalty all together is bad optics all around, Lets see how this will get interperted in cdn media-

a) supporting rajaona rights of convicted bomber of punjab cm - bad optics, this will play out like in media - someone equivalent to supporting rights of someone potentially- killing cdn province premier regardless of cm history or not.

b) interjecting too much into indian constitution where death penalty is legitimate, again bad optics- another country federal leader meddling with indian constitutions.

Regarding b) He already said recently what india or indians do in india its none of his business so thats strong statement.

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As to the question of pictures of Parmar in a few Gurdwaras: How many such Gurdwaras are there? But secondly, perhaps Jagmeet should have said that the entire point behind the photos being there are that those Gurdwaras don't think that Parmar did it. It would be insane for a Gurdwara to claim that Parmar did it and to support him for doing so. Meaning, it's one thing to not accept that Parmar did it (you can call someone deluded for thinking that), but that's not the same thing as supporting the bombing.

Look i've been saying all long take questionable people poster off from gurdwara in the past, i sounded like broken record. I've been saying for ten years on here its wrong based on ruling of canadian judical system and air india enquiry- FYI cost of both were $100 million spent, its bad pr disaster, bad optics, massive loop hole to goi to exploit - someday it will come back and bite us in the backside and it did, fast fwd to today before many gurdwara had this poster but now two of them out of 100 have it and recent news i've learned in nagar kirtan supported by all gurdwaras in canada it much well thought out, less posters definitely wont include parmar which nagar kirtan stopped doing that 10 years ago.

 

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Regarding 1984 resolutions, how about this: Propose a combined motion condemning the Jewish holocaust, Armenian genocide, Sikh genocide, and a few others thrown in for good measure, and then dare people to vote against it.

Awesome idea, thats how it needs to be played. However, i think this motion on its own will pass without any issue in cdn parliament as indian current home minister himself called it sikh genocide and he on record saying that. There are plenty of leverage there and well thought out educated talking points to those oppose it

 

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Yeah, what is exactly is he for? More taxes/less taxes? Deficit spending? Canada already has socialized medicine and auto insurance. What else does he want to nationalize? Automobile manufacturing?

 typical left wing socialist agenda, very pro union and workers, speak to normal , middle class people, pro environmentalist,pro free universal pharma care AND BIG ONE- electoral reform, lot of it will depend on ontario provincial election there are polls showing ndp is gaining wind, if they win provincially this june in ontario like they have done in bc and alberta, this will set very good pleasant tone for federal ndp leader-jagmeet singh for next year federal election.

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Again the point i am stressing its ok for sikh human right activist to protest against rajoana death penalty or his over spending in jail but to have federal leader of canada who have in the past raised this issue of rajoana death penalty with india knowing fully rajoana history and bombing of cm which also killed 13 other people it open itself to all kind of self inflicted wounds-bad pr optics, all kind of criticism, all kind of narratives in journalist world.

 

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2 hours ago, BhForce said:

3) How did Atwal get a visa to India? Has any "journalist" other than MacDonald (like Terry M or Jonathan Kay) been curious as to this question? If not, it shows their agenda.

Everyone is wondering the same thing, recently conservatives will put a motion to summon cdn pm national security advisor to breif, hope csis intelligence gathering report on him and raw using this guy as pawn/ sabotaging CANADIAN PM trip to comes out.!!

For Canadian pm - justin trudeau and his actual secretary gerald butts -  its a catch 22 suitation, he wants the whole jaspal controversy goes away asap, so its doesn't become media witch haunt onto election issue exploited by conservatives , he is been advised by CSIS - National security advisor about atwal past history dealing with RAW there. But the issue PMO he cannot say anything directly as it will screw diplomacy with india and very well can play in next federal election where indians via conservative cdn media and conservatives- will then take leverage kite a potential 28 billion dollar deal - thousands of jobs creation in canada election promise.

Public safety minister weeks ago, they have rejected conservatives motion for public hearing of his national security advisor but will allow the breifing  to only mps as  its highly confendial csis material on this guy and raw only to cdn mps in house of common prior to that which they have to take oath -they cannot leak to the media and to public. Look around sensitivity around this issue, i am assuming its pretty high detailed intelligence report on raw sabotaging cdn sikhs supporting cdn political parties.

 

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Either this Athwal character was and still is a Indian government R&AW agent or a useful patsy fool bumbling baffon who was caught up in a clever Indian plot to malign Prime minister Justin Trudeu, Canadian Sikh politicians and canadian Sikhs in general.

Either way his appearance in Sikh circles needs further research.... from what i gathered reading up....he wasnt known in the wider Sikh community and mysteriously he is in the headlines now?? very strange he is being labeled a Sikh extremist? .

Basically from what I can read into the situation is that atwal was actual an Indian agent who was conveniently black listed by the Indian govt back in 80s to prevent him being deported to india on grounds of human rights. Now they need him again but in a different way so they removed him from black list to let him come to india and they turned on him and used him to malign Canadian Sikhs. To get revenge and one over the Sikhs for denying Indian govt agents into gurdwara's worldwide for their interference in Sikh religious affairs.

We need to remember Indian government intelligence agencies are far too clever for the Low IQ Sikh leadership in the west and india.

Corrupt Indian brahmin establishment plans things decades ahead like chess pieces, so they had their agents bring down the air india plane in 1985 and blamed khalistani's for it , blamed a weird group called a unknown dashmesh regiment (probably formed by R&AW indian agents) blamed talwinder singh parmer who allegedly and mysteriously was killed in 1992 by Indians but no proof of his death? BKI was formed by parmer and a mysterious guy who worked for canadian intelligence service CSIS it was revealed in the air india trials public enquiry in 2006.

The plot just thickens..... it is very interesting because it exposes not just these alleged 1980s "Sikh extremists" but also the roles of canadian and Indian intelligence agencies of the era and how they funded and colluded with each other in very deadly outcomes to blame the canadian Sikh community and oppress them from speaking out about the murderous campaigns of the Indian's.

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If anyone did research into the R&AW they would realise it was formed in late 1960s by Indian prime minister sardar patel to monitor, disrupt and subvert the political and religious activities of Sikh leadership in punjab who was calling for end to discrimination and greater rights for a Sikhs in their own state of punjab (as was promised to the leadership by nehru in 1946)

It was reported in the newspapers of the time that In 1980s pre-operation blue star the R&AW  also shipped arms into the darbar sahib complex Golden Temple via huge truck conveys and the police nor army not IB (intelligence bueru) stop them. Why was that? Why was they not stopping their alleged enemy Khalistani anti-nationalists get armed to the teeth? Very strange

It was also reported that the R&AW shipped weapons to their pakistani christian agents who in turn gave them to actual Sikh separatists who had crossed the border and these pakistani christian R&AW agents then gave the locations of these separatists so that the R&AW could kill them within pakistani punjab and in Indian punjab.

The R&AW essentially is a highly anti-sikh outfit it is a terrorist outfit and it does need to be exposed to the wider world what it has been involved in.

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1 hour ago, genie said:

If anyone did research into the R&AW they would realise it was formed in late 1960s by Indian prime minister sardar patel to monitor, disrupt and subvert the political and religious activities of Sikh leadership in punjab who was calling for end to discrimination and greater rights for a Sikhs in their own state of punjab (as was promised to the leadership by nehru in 1946)

It was reported in the newspapers of the time that In 1980s pre-operation blue star the R&AW  also shipped arms into the darbar sahib complex Golden Temple via huge truck conveys and the police nor army not IB (intelligence bueru) stop them. Why was that? Why was they not stopping their alleged enemy Khalistani anti-nationalists get armed to the teeth? Very strange

It was also reported that the R&AW shipped weapons to their pakistani christian agents who in turn gave them to actual Sikh separatists who had crossed the border and these pakistani christian R&AW agents then gave the locations of these separatists so that the R&AW could kill them within pakistani punjab and in Indian punjab.

The R&AW essentially is a highly anti-sikh outfit it is a terrorist outfit and it does need to be exposed to the wider world what it has been involved in.

Sardar Patel?He was never prime minister.

I am sure he died way before the 1960s 

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