Two Antique Gold Silver Tulwars for sale

[Guest]

15 minutes ago, MahakaalSavaLakh said:

its sad to say most Sikhs aren't even interested in items such as original jung tested and jung worthy shaster relating directly to their heritage and dharma, whilst goray are collecting them like pokemon cards and sell them like any other antiques.

truth yo!

[BhForce]

12 hours ago, MahakaalSavaLakh said:

@BhForce it comes with experience and handling antique arms and armour day to day. as it is the same with puratan manuscripts. most sikhs can't tell the difference between a real live blade and a dull showpiece, in regards to weight, edge retention, fit , feel ,shape, you can tell from the quality of the finish , the colour, the thickness of the old and silver work, the designs, polishes etc. etc. most sikhs can't tell the difference between a real antique and a fake aged one from India due to the lack of gyan in that area. Whatever area you study you become proficient in that mode of study.

OK, bro, but assuming you have an expert who could recognize all those qualities, could the same expert not also replicate all those qualities in a replica? Is there any technology available in 18th century India not available to worksmiths today?

[garch]

Thanks, for pm, I have a couple of antiques in my possession and looking to grow my collection, unfortunately im a little out priced on this occasion.

Can you provide a little more information for would be buyers and my own curiosity? 

Both are eautiful blades and in remarkable condition considering the age. Have you done/had any restoration work done on either piece?

What material are the blades? Iron/wootz? 

Any history of past users/caretakers?

 

[MahakaalSavaLakh]

they are from a private collection , the sirohi is of rajastan typical style and the tulwar is fom lahore , likely sikh due to lahore being the captial of sikhs,

[MahakaalSavaLakh]

the tulwar is folded steel and i'm not sure on the sirohi

[MahakaalSavaLakh]

11 hours ago, BhForce said:

OK, bro, but assuming you have an expert who could recognize all those qualities, could the same expert not also replicate all those qualities in a replica? Is there any technology available in 18th century India not available to worksmiths today?

yes wootz isn't available today nor do indian bladesmithes fold their blades. they are use a produce to fake the similar patterns that of wootz and folding. most stuff out of indian is made of kamani steek ( tank axles ) or just iron. the odd skela or spring steel comes along but nothing in terms of wootz , folded or carbons steel of 18th c.

[MahakaalSavaLakh]

I'll be in the midlands next weekend if anybody wants to purchase these from the midlands and doesn't want them posted etc

[BhForce]

2 hours ago, MahakaalSavaLakh said:

yes wootz isn't available today nor do indian bladesmithes fold their blades. they are use a produce to fake the similar patterns that of wootz and folding. most stuff out of indian is made of kamani steek ( tank axles ) or just iron. the odd skela or spring steel comes along but nothing in terms of wootz , folded or carbons steel of 18th c.

Well, OK, but the pictures you posted don't show patterns in the manner of wootz steel:

Rather, it just shows a plain sword in the style of, as you say, axle steel, with a smattering of rust.

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9 hours ago, BhForce said:

Well, OK, but the pictures you posted don't show patterns in the manner of wootz steel:

Rather, it just shows a plain sword in the style of, as you say, axle steel, with a smattering of rust.

These are zoomed in pics

what bhaji has is not zoomed in

[MahakaalSavaLakh]

On 07/04/2018 at 12:52 PM, BhForce said:

Well, OK, but the pictures you posted don't show patterns in the manner of wootz steel:

Rather, it just shows a plain sword in the style of, as you say, axle steel, with a smattering of rust.

sorry to burst your bubble there weren't tank axle's available in the 18th c