Kalki's avatar found !

[Kira]

55 minutes ago, BhagatSingh said:

 

It's not a double meaning. The names, characters and images of - Hari Rai, Murari, Krishna - and those names unique to Sikh tradition - Waheguru - are all referring to Akal Purakh sahib.

Calling someone Waheguru doesn't make them Waheguru. As Dasam Granth explains Krishna was an avtar of Lord Vishnu, he wasn't an avtar of Akaal Purkh, the same thing is said by Bhai Gurdas Ji and every traditional school of thought within Sikhi. 

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Read the parts of the Gita where Krishan ji reveals himself to Arjun after Arjun learns to see who he is (by shedding his desire for material things).

 That Vishal Swaroop that you see in Indian TV serials, that is an attempt to portray that multi-faceted Being, that multi-dimensional Being, that is composed of all the Gods of all religions.

That composite of all the Gods, radiating light and heat like a thousand suns, that is Krishna, that is Akal Purakh sahib.

I've read that part. Making a form like that isn't a big deal for any avtar, compared to Krishna, Arjuna wasn't spiritually elevated at all, to an ant even a human would be immeasurable. Avtars can make themselves into anything they wish, any density they wanted to take. Lord Vishnu did the same thing when he slayed Madhu Kitabh. 

[BhagatSingh]

1 hour ago, Kira said:

Calling someone Waheguru doesn't make them Waheguru. As Dasam Granth explains Krishna was an avtar of Lord Vishnu, he wasn't an avtar of Akaal Purkh

What are you defining as Akal Purakh?

[Sukhvirk1976]

23 hours ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

The kind of responses on this post is evident of the fact of our degeneracy . 

Our guru gave us kirpan and qalam to fight oppression , and we like our brahmin masters are waiting for vishnu to save us, the same vishnu who has not been praised in SGGS , the only indian scripture who worships parbrahm directly without the brahma/vishnu/mahesh mess and the lone scripture who got status of a guru .

We should be ashamed. 

Guru sahib 'gives us' every day..

Before carrying the weight of kirpan maybe a rabab is what we should carry.. 

[S1ngh]

49 minutes ago, Sukhvirk1976 said:

Before carrying the weight of kirpan maybe a rabab is what we should carry.. 

Miri and Piri 

[Kira]

8 hours ago, BhagatSingh said:

What are you defining as Akal Purakh?

What do you define as Akaal Purkh?

[jkvlondon]

10 hours ago, Sukhvirk1976 said:

Guru sahib 'gives us' every day..

Before carrying the weight of kirpan maybe a rabab is what we should carry.. 

Guru ji carried daang too ...stop trying to turn this into an argument for pacifism...a sikh is all in one warrior, king, scholar, priest, artisan, labourer.

[BhagatSingh]

8 hours ago, Kira said:

What do you define as Akaal Purkh?

I kinda already did but I'll go in more detail.

So we know, Akal Purakh sahib means Timeless Being.

He is a multi-faceted Being, a multi-dimensional Being, operating in and as all levels of reality.

Since Akal Purakh sahib is so vast and is operating in and as all layers of reality, Saints from various backgrounds saw him in different ways and called him by different names.

If you read Gita or Bhagwad Puran, the Saints there called him Krishna, Hari Rai, Murari, Gobind, Gopal, Narayan, Vishnu, Ram, etc.

When Guru sahibs are speaking these names Krishna, Hari Rai, Murari, Gobind, Gopal, Narayan, Vishnu, Ram, etc., they are referring to Akal Purakh sahib only.

So we must understand that Krishna, Hari Rai, Murari, Gobind, Gopal, Narayan, Vishnu, Ram, etc. these are not separate beings or material bodies or mortal men or angels or anything like that.

They are referring to the One Primal Being, Akal Purakh sahib, and nothing else. They have no other existence apart from being the descriptors and characters of Akal Purakh sahib.

The old stories of Krishan ji, may seem insignificant to many here. Some would even say that they are make-believe fairy tales.

But when you read these stories with this distinction in mind, that this is a characteristic representation of Akal Purakh sahib, then you will see you will see the deeper meanings present therein.

You will see that the stories are referring to the various states and activities of our mind.

And then when you make that connection between the stories and your mind, you will then separate the wheat from the chaff and obtain real gyan from the stories.

[Guest]

So @BhagatSingh, you are saying that chaubis avtar is all just stores describing akaal purkh? And that those avtaars never actually existed?

[Kira]

37 minutes ago, BhagatSingh said:

I kinda already did but I'll go in more detail.

So we know, Akal Purakh sahib means Timeless Being.

He is a multi-faceted Being, a multi-dimensional Being, operating in and as all levels of reality.

Since Akal Purakh sahib is so vast and is operating in and as all layers of reality, Saints from various backgrounds saw him in different ways and called him by different names.

If you read Gita or Bhagwad Puran, the Saints there called him Krishna, Hari Rai, Murari, Gobind, Gopal, Narayan, Vishnu, Ram, etc.

When Guru sahibs are speaking these names Krishna, Hari Rai, Murari, Gobind, Gopal, Narayan, Vishnu, Ram, etc., they are referring to Akal Purakh sahib only.

So we must understand that Krishna, Hari Rai, Murari, Gobind, Gopal, Narayan, Vishnu, Ram, etc. these are not separate beings or material bodies or mortal men or angels or anything like that.

They are referring to the One Primal Being, Akal Purakh sahib, and nothing else. They have no other existence apart from being the descriptors and characters of Akal Purakh sahib.

The old stories of Krishan ji, may seem insignificant to many here. Some would even say that they are make-believe fairy tales.

But when you read these stories with this distinction in mind, that this is a characteristic representation of Akal Purakh sahib, then you will see you will see the deeper meanings present therein.

You will see that the stories are referring to the various states and activities of our mind.

And then when you make that connection between the stories and your mind, you will then separate the wheat from the chaff and obtain real gyan from the stories.

The Stories of Chaubis Avtar are history regarding the deeds of various Purkhs from time. They're not metaphors as you're implying. They give darshan and live, breath and die like the rest of us. Albeit their life lines are aeons longer than the average humans. 

Sure there are internal lessons to learn, but the external shouldn't be ignored. Krishna the deity isn't Akaal Purkh Waheguru Ji manifest as Guru Nanak Dev Ji was, and will never be so. 

[Sukhvirk1976]

On 5/28/2018 at 2:11 PM, jkvlondon said:

Guru ji carried daang too ...stop trying to turn this into an argument for pacifism...a sikh is all in one warrior, king, scholar, priest, artisan, labourer.

You seem to be confused.. I don't advocate pacifism.. I merely pointed out that there may be a deeper reason why the daang and the responsibility that comes with carrying one was given to only to those who had first mastered the principles of shaant raas