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5 hours ago, BhForce said:

Are you sure about that, bro?

I don't know why you had to bring up lineage to denigrate the Abrahamics. Dasam Patshah has already denigrated them (and the "Hindus") by stating that they fall short of the 100% truth of Satguru Nanak ji (which I agree with, of course). By bringing up lineage, you are forcing me to compare Satguru to a bunch of imperfect prophets, which I don't really want to do, but here goes:

Did not the entire line of Gurus from Guru Ram Dass ji to Guru Gobind Singh ji receive Guruship based on lineage? Is it not specifically mentioned that someone in the lineage of some Sodhi king will become the Guru in Kalyug (reference to Guru Nanak Dev ji)? Bedis/Sodhis, it's all based on lineage to Ram Chander ji, in the "lineage" of the Sun.

I think it's a losing proposition to denigrate the Abrahamic prophets based on lineage. Suffice it to say they were short of the truth.

There won't be specific citations because Guru Gobind Singh ji did not write a 12-volume history of the Abrahamics, a la Arnold Toynbee. Guru Sahib just wrote a short composition that glances over the history of God sending individuals to preach the truth, and them failing.

You're being entirely too literal in taking the line that says God made Mohammed a king, and saying "See! It just says God made Mohammed a king. It doesn't say God made him a saint." I'm not even saying he was a saint. Merely that he was sent by God to preach the truth. 

And you can see that in the context of that section of Bachittar Natak, because that's how Guru Sahib brackets the mentions of the specific prophets/avatars/etc. It clearly shows how God is sending/instructing one prophet/avatar/whatever to preach the truth, and they fail.

Agreed that there's no mention (directly) of this in Guru Granth Sahib, but why does that matter? Not everything not mentioned in Gurbani is false. It doesn't even matter, though, if it's false or not, the point is simply that even if he did have some level of enlightenment, it wasn't 100% enlightenment, and he (like the others) made a mess of things.

By the way, I'm sure you're familiar with the fact that I'm one of the biggest anti-jihadis on this website, so I think you should know I'm in no way trying to big up the Prophet Mohammed.

I'd like to direct you to Sri Kalgidhar Chamatkar. A short summary of this incident involving various past prophets is described there. 

Before Guru Ji came to earth, he was still meditating on Hemkunt Parbat and while he was meditating there, there were also other people doing similar penances. But they all considered Guru Ji their superior (or elder/Principle) due to the fact that Guru Ji had attained Waheguru and met with him. 

Anyways the other beings doing Tapisya all had their Gurus and all of their teachers came to them in their visions and told them about Guru Ji and why Guru Ji was going to earth and not to stop him in any way. These beings included Krishna, Buddha, Muhammad, Shiva. Most of the Tapisyees there were cautious about going to earth in the first place as they could see how it would trap anyone. 

Sant Harnam Singh Ji also had a vision with Jesus (along with others) coming to visit him and telling him how he wished his followers would adopt the path of Guru Nanak Dev Ji.

10 minutes ago, TejS said:

Guru Nanak Devi Ji contemplated and searched for the truth and eventually he found God. The Gurgaddi was then passed on to individuals that were deemed worthy, and this is evident in Guru Nanak Dev Ji passing over the Gurgaddi to someone who was not related to him by blood, Guru Angad Dev Ji, rather than his own negligent sons. This demonstrates that there was no monopoly on the Truth by a single bloodline. There was a certain circumstance that led for the Gurgaddi to stay within the family of Guru Amar Das Ji, and that was Bibi Bhani's request in return for her seva, whereby she was granted her wish for the Gurgaddi to continue on throughout the Sodhi family - her in-laws and the line of Guru Ram Das Ji. But I guess you already knew this, so I'm surprised you would equate this with the familial covenant that God chose on Abraham as if they were his "chosen people".

Guru Nanak Dev Ji and Bhai Lehna Ji were from the same family tree (the Bedis) so were blood related biologically, In Dasam Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Guru Ji mentions how the Gaddhi would always stay in these families (Sodhis and Bedis).

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1 hour ago, Mahakaal96 said:

Not true.

Guru Nanak Dev Ji was Bedi lineage

Guru Angad Dev Ji was bhalla lineage

Guru Amar Das Ji was trehan lineage

Guru Ram Das Ji to Guru Gobind Singh Ji were Sodhi lineage

Read bachitter natak, it covers how long the gurgaddi would stay in the bedi lineage & the Sodhi lineage.... once you get a grasp of that you realise the sons of Guru Nanak were never meant to get gurgaddi..... so people who say Baba Sri Chand & Baba Lakmi Chand ‘failed’ as the sons of Guru Nanak don’t know what they are talking about!

I was under the impression that Bhalla/Trehan lineages also relate back to Bedi Clan as well and thus technically they were one giant lineage (extensions of the Bedi Clan) as they date back to the same forefather, or am I getting confused here? 

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7 hours ago, Kira said:

I was under the impression that Bhalla/Trehan lineages also relate back to Bedi Clan as well and thus technically they were one giant lineage (extensions of the Bedi Clan) as they date back to the same forefather, or am I getting confused here? 

Guru Amar Das ji was Bhalla goth remember 'Bhalle Amar Das gun teri'

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17 hours ago, Mahakaal96 said:

Bedi, Trehan, Bhalla & Sodhi are all descended from Raghu lineage, which is from Ishvaku lineage & links back to Surya lineage.

Bedis, Trahan and Bhalla all relate to Lava and Sodhis to Kush right? The sons of Lord Ram Chandar.

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6 hours ago, Kira said:

Bedis, Trahan and Bhalla all relate to Lava and Sodhis to Kush right? The sons of Lord Ram Chandar.

No,

Bedi lineage links back to Kush (Son of Ram Chander)

Trehan lineage links back to Lakshman (brother of Ram Chander) 

Bhalla lineage to Bharat (brother of Ram Chander)

Sodhi lineage links back to Luv (Son of Ram Chander) 

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