Christians becoming Sikh

[Big_Tera]

13 hours ago, RicktheSikh said:

New forum member and former Christian here. People are leaving Christianity because there are fewer people practicing true Christianity, the radical love doctrine preached by Jesus Christ. First rule:Love God with your whole heart. Second rule: Love your neighbor (all your fellow human beings) as you love yourself. If you only practice these two things, Christianity is beautiful. But the original message got lost over time and became overshadowed by demands for conformity. The rituals people once did as small reminders of their faith became the focus. Professed "believers" who don't actually obey the teachings of their teacher are now choosing to "honor" their radical love doctrine by finding reasons to only love and respect those who agree with them 100%. Nowadays people would rather not be associated with a religion that has a reputation for hypocrisy, discrimination, and so many countless other terrible things. Sikhi is a good fit for those who have that true love for the Creator and the desire to serve their fellow man (or woman). The fact that seva is such an important part of Sikhi is so beautiful to me. I am so grateful to be called to learn at the Guru's feet. 

Welcome to our faith. We dont go out to convert. But happy to see you like the Sikhs beliefs. Its really inspiring to see knew Sikhs. Who bring a fesh zest to all us who probably take the faith for granted. 

[jkvlondon]

2 hours ago, Big_Tera said:

Think theres some wires crossed here. I said something along the lines that we belive all religions lead to god if practiced properly. Are you saying they dont and Sikhism is the only true path?

a blanket statement saying they are right includes all aspects of their faith including prejudices and oppressive elements which Guru ji never agreed with so sikhi doesn't  , if you only mean the aspects which are about praying/meditating and being compassionate then you need to refer back to how guru ji highlights what aspects he feels are praiseworthy ...
As Rick mentions many paths have been obstructed for priestly gains and true messages hidden from plain view . With Sikhi we are fortunate that the actual messengers wrote down the message and double checked and propagated it for over 200 years personally .

[Akalifauj]

On 6/25/2018 at 7:06 PM, Sukhvirk1976 said:

The point is that other faiths don't have the same capacity.. 

I know you will not answer my question because you are only here to be a ....  But for the sake of the topic. 

What same capacity don't other faiths have?

[Akalifauj]

14 hours ago, Big_Tera said:

Welcome to our faith. We dont go out to convert. But happy to see you like the Sikhs beliefs. Its really inspiring to see knew Sikhs. Who bring a fesh zest to all us who probably take the faith for granted. 

Sri Guru Nanak dev ji went out to many places to teach the path of Sikhi.  He went to change the beliefs of others that consist of  their religious beliefs.  Guru Nanak dev ji pointed his feet toward the kaaba not to be disrespectful but to change what the Muslims believed in.  Guru Nanak dev ji went out to meet yogis and discussed with them and taught them the path of Sikhi.  The Gurus certainly went out to change/transform/convert people from their religious beliefs and to follow Sikhi.  

The Gurus never used tricks, manipulation, distortion, aggression, or threats of any kind to change others beliefs and this is where Sikhi differs on what conversion means to us.  The Gurus taught and if the person choose not to change that was his choice.  No one was pressured into converting to a Sikh.  

Muslims and Christians used many aggressive ways to convert others.  The deadliest method was to torture and kill others into accepting their religions.  Economic pressure was put on the poor by making them pay extra tax among other pressures. These religions forcibly took over countries to convert people to their religions.  These methods of conversion are never approved by Sikhi.

[Big_Tera]

On 6/26/2018 at 11:42 PM, jkvlondon said:

a blanket statement saying they are right includes all aspects of their faith including prejudices and oppressive elements which Guru ji never agreed with so sikhi doesn't  , if you only mean the aspects which are about praying/meditating and being compassionate then you need to refer back to how guru ji highlights what aspects he feels are praiseworthy ...
As Rick mentions many paths have been obstructed for priestly gains and true messages hidden from plain view . With Sikhi we are fortunate that the actual messengers wrote down the message and double checked and propagated it for over 200 years personally .

All faiths are right. We as Sikhs have no right to criticise how people follow their religion. 

Guru Nanank Ji

Clearly states

'If you are a Hindu. Be a good hindu. If you are a buddist be a good buddist. 

We belive all faiths can reach God. 

Obviously If you belive Sikhi is the right choice for you then we welcome you. 

There is no silly concepts in our religion such as non belivers are going to hell like christianity and islam. 

That is what attracts droves to our faith. 

 

[Akalifauj]

24 minutes ago, Big_Tera said:

All faiths are right. We as Sikhs have no right to criticise how people follow their religion. 

Guru Nanank Ji

Clearly states

'If you are a Hindu. Be a good hindu. If you are a buddist be a good buddist. 

Provide the source.  I really hope you are not putting words into Sri Guru Nanak dev ji mouth.

[jkvlondon]

1 hour ago, Big_Tera said:

All faiths are right. We as Sikhs have no right to criticise how people follow their religion. 

Guru Nanank Ji

Clearly states

'If you are a Hindu. Be a good hindu. If you are a buddist be a good buddist. 

We belive all faiths can reach God. 

Obviously If you belive Sikhi is the right choice for you then we welcome you. 

There is no silly concepts in our religion such as non belivers are going to hell like christianity and islam. 

That is what attracts droves to our faith. 

 

I will not argue further but simply say try reading Guru ji and Dasam Granth  carefully and understand what Guru ji ACTUALLY says not what you think it means because of other unqualified human commentary.

[genie]

40 minutes ago, Big_Tera said:

All faiths are right. We as Sikhs have no right to criticise how people follow their religion. 

Guru Nanank Ji

Clearly states

'If you are a Hindu. Be a good hindu. If you are a buddist be a good buddist. 

We belive all faiths can reach God. 

Obviously If you belive Sikhi is the right choice for you then we welcome you. 

There is no silly concepts in our religion such as non belivers are going to hell like christianity and islam. 

That is what attracts droves to our faith. 

 

Wrong there dude, I have to strongly disagree parts of  that statement. Yes we don't have silly concepts as non-believers automatically going to hell-fire or people of other religions cant reach God.

However In Gurbani (SGGS Ji) Guru Nanak in several instances criticizes muslim and hindu practices. Sikhi is a distinct spiritual path and one that is superior to others. Why would Waheguru create another religion if other religions were just fine and ok to practice? The reason Sikhi came about is because God willed that the other religions were not good enough, humanity needed an upgrade of spiritual thinking and thus Sikhi came into fruition.

Our holy Guru's were not politically correct liberals like the liberal fake sikhs like to paint them as. They were outspoken when they needed to be and praised aspects of other religions when it matched with Sikh ideology. The key thing to remember is when people say our religion teaches "be a good muslim, be a good hindu,etc" it doesnt mean practise your faith to the letter because if they did that the hindu's would be practicing saathi, horoscopes, castism and muslims who follow the sunnah would be trying to be good by eating halal slaughtered meat and killing the kufr for not believing in their God. The "be a good muslim, be a good hindu" narrative basically means be good according to Sikh philosophy. Remember being good or bad is subjective what is good in one religion is bad in another. So the way to get around this misunderstanding by most Sikhs is to understand that being Good is subject to it being Good according to Sikh concept of "being good".

[Sukhvirk1976]

28 minutes ago, genie said:

Why would Waheguru create another religion if other religions were just fine and ok to practice? 

Who said they created a religion? 

 

30 minutes ago, genie said:

The key thing to remember is when people say our religion teaches "be a good muslim, be a good hindu,etc" it doesnt mean practise your faith to the letter because if they did that the hindu's would be practicing saathi, horoscopes, castism and muslims who follow the sunnah would be trying to be good by eating halal slaughtered meat and killing the kufr for not believing in their God. The "be a good muslim, be a good hindu" narrative basically means be good according to Sikh philosophy. Remember being good or bad is subjective what is good in one religion is bad in another. So the way to get around this misunderstanding by most Sikhs is to understand that being Good is subject to it being Good according to Sikh concept of "being good".

I think you may be a bit confused as your post seems to be contradictory.. 

Sikhi teaches us that the truth is universal and therefore applies to everyone.. So being a good Muslim or Hindu when one strips things away to the truth means you need to get to the essence of your faith not find it rituals or man made expressions of religion.. Casteism is a crass interpretation and application of behaviour associated with Hinduism. To be a good Muslim would mean that you rejected simplistic interpretations of Islam. Just in the same way simply claiming to be a sikh or even wearing articles of faith. Sikh philosophy tells us very simply that all is one. To transcend religious identity and look deeper and find universal truth 

[Big_Tera]

On 6/28/2018 at 1:03 AM, genie said:

Wrong there dude, I have to strongly disagree parts of  that statement. Yes we don't have silly concepts as non-believers automatically going to hell-fire or people of other religions cant reach God.

However In Gurbani (SGGS Ji) Guru Nanak in several instances criticizes muslim and hindu practices. Sikhi is a distinct spiritual path and one that is superior to others. Why would Waheguru create another religion if other religions were just fine and ok to practice? The reason Sikhi came about is because God willed that the other religions were not good enough, humanity needed an upgrade of spiritual thinking and thus Sikhi came into fruition.

Our holy Guru's were not politically correct liberals like the liberal fake sikhs like to paint them as. They were outspoken when they needed to be and praised aspects of other religions when it matched with Sikh ideology. The key thing to remember is when people say our religion teaches "be a good muslim, be a good hindu,etc" it doesnt mean practise your faith to the letter because if they did that the hindu's would be practicing saathi, horoscopes, castism and muslims who follow the sunnah would be trying to be good by eating halal slaughtered meat and killing the kufr for not believing in their God. The "be a good muslim, be a good hindu" narrative basically means be good according to Sikh philosophy. Remember being good or bad is subjective what is good in one religion is bad in another. So the way to get around this misunderstanding by most Sikhs is to understand that being Good is subject to it being Good according to Sikh concept of "being good".

We are not superior to other's That is again doing what muslims and christians do. Trying to make out we are better. We are all equal it doea not matter what faith we follow. It is all about our good deeds.