Why aren't British Sikhs as active/engaged as their Canadian counterparts in politics?

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57 minutes ago, YOYO29 said:

Are you kidding me ? where did you hear this ? Sunnis who are influenced by wahabism may have joined isil.As you see in places like western europe.An average Sunni living in Indonesia ,bangladesh or north africa does give two hoots about ISIL.My FB wall is filled with my muslim friends posts condemning ISIL and describing their actions un islamic.

 

What actions of ISIS are anti-Islamic? So your Muslims friends are liberals like you, I doubt they even know that ISIS emulate Mohammed to the core. 

[TejS]

18 hours ago, YOYO29 said:

What makes me think ? well everthing you you mentioned from ghalugara , golden temple desceration etc all the more reasons for sikhs to attack muslims.
i think you have misunderstood my mentioning of lahore 1935 clashes.I was saying that sikh muslim rawalpindi riots should be seen in that context of sikh/muslim struggle in british period.These riots were limited to rawalindi.It was not like a a larger Muslim punjab plan to eradicate all sikhs from west punjab.if that has been the case there should have been more attacks on sikhs in other districts of punjab.Wheras we see a larger sikh plan in East Punjab to target whole community

What lol? If anything, those events show that Muslims have always been the aggressors. If Sikhs wanted to take revenge, they would have individually dealt with the Mughal and Afghans - and they already did to some extent. Your confounded reasoning makes no sense. All you are attempting to do is push your narrative of Muslims being the victims in the partition. That isn't the case. Your people wanted a seperate Muslim land, your people started killings in Rawalpindi, your people started large-scale killings in West Punjab. Your people started it and your people were the aggressors. 

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first you made it sound like that every thing started with rawalpindi massacre and now you are saying this was in response to west punjab killings.kissay ek thaa te khaloo

I didn't make it sound like that, you wrongly interpreted it as such because it seems to me that you fail to understand the difference between the Rawalpindi killings and large-scale killings in West Punjab. And I'm not saying anything, this is all Ishtiaq Ahmed's research based on primary sources of that time.

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not true.I have seen people on this forum giving this explanation for malerkotla muslims's staying in punjab.

They are just regular people. Not scholars.

[TejS]

18 hours ago, YOYO29 said:

Not a problem.Anyways  It's an improvement from your part at least you have come down from arabic islam to persian islam.Soon you will be able to see the difference in south asian islam Vis-à-vis others  

Islam is Arabic culture. I still stand on that. You guys also propagate Persian culture. Heck, from the names of your children/villages to the Pakistani national anthem, there are so many Farsi loanwords that its almost hilarious. The script you write in is based off of the Perso-Arabic script as well. 

[TejS]

19 hours ago, YOYO29 said:

Absolutely.You just love to generlize people.Should I also generlize the entire Sikh community for dicrmination some black sikhs face by your poeple in canadian gurudwara.i don't remeber that black sikhs name who made a video how he was discrminated in gurudwara. Should all sikhs be held accountable for this discrimination just like you love to make sweeping statments about arabs and other muslims ? 

Go ahead man. I'd actually be thankful for highlighting discrimination in my community so I can better those around me to stop it, unlike you people who love to shove their issues under the carpet.

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Nothing wrong about knowing other people.There are sikhs on Muslim forums.Nothing wrong with that.

On a Muslim religious forum? I doubt that. Please link the forum where Sikhs are actively taking part in Muslims discussions and pushing their false narratives and agendas on the forum.

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Ever thought of applying your advice on yourself ? if you read this thread from the start you will know who brought Muslims into that and started bringing other Muslim groups and their alleged discrimination into it and when i talked same discrimination happening right under your nose it did not sit well with you.Well,next time you wanna bring up discrimination in other groups you better make sure that you don't do any of this in your own home.

Another user brought that in. Not me. And what's wrong with it anyway? Does the forum rules on here prohibit the discussion of other religions, absolutely not. So I don't need a Muslim on a Sikh forum to explain to me what I can and can't do. Thank you but no thank you, we don't need Islamic policing on this forum.

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Would you say the same to those African converts and others who change their names to Sikh Indian ones ? Would they be promoting Sikh Indian Punjabi culture ? I don't understand your fixation on Arabs.Every religion is gonna have elements of native culture where it developed.

If I'm not mistaken, I don't think Sikhs have gone on to convert Africans en masse through conquest. Whoever has converted to Sikhi, has done so out of their own choice and not in any kind of compulsion. 

[TejS]

19 hours ago, YOYO29 said:

In significant numbers of threads on this forum you people always find a way to bring Muslims into it.Talk about obsession.

Quote them here and then you can actually claim something. Until then, what you say is false. 

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hahaah classic line.Heard it many times from Hindus.Man their randi rona about Arabs never stops.get over it

Okay good. If you don't like what you hear here, you are free to leave. 

And what the Hindus say is true. Arabs treat Pakistanis as inferior. It would be pretty heartbreaking if when all is over, and you realize that Islam was just a tool meant to propagate Arabic culture, that you had to put up with such treatment from them. Other South Asians aren't treated any better, but atleast they don't worship Arab gods, in Arabic towards Arab landmarks. 

https://www.hrw.org/report/2018/03/07/caught-web/treatment-pakistanis-saudi-criminal-justice-system

[TejS]

 

18 hours ago, YOYO29 said:

You see this stuff happening in Bihar and India where caste system is in practice with much more intensity.I don't see any of this happening in Pakistan.here whether you are rich or poor you get buried in same graveyard. By the way you people are not far behind discriminating people even on death. here is an excerpt from this article http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-exclusive-where-do-we-take-our-dead-and-go-ask-dalits-1599355 
 

Oh yes, now you'll play the Pakistan card. Aren't Indian Muslims still Muslims? Where is the unity at now? What about the Ummah yo? Lmao Pakistanis are hypocrites. Why are you guys cashing off of China, who treat Uyghur Muslims like <banned word filter activated>, protect the Ummah yo.

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4 hours ago, YOYO29 said:

I don't think that's true.If he had sad this about South Punjab or rural sindh I would have believed him.If my memory works fine there is only one feudal Gujjar family in Gujarat.Can u ask him to provide other five ?

I will next time I see HER. But whether she can tell me or not does it really matter? The fact is that Pakistan politically is in the hands of the feudals, whether it would be 6 families in Gujrat or 60 in Sindh. It has been since 1947.

Read from pg 8 onwards:

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/9581/2e330ca2b8862e9834316c325fe52f1f788d.pdf

 

"The motivation on the part of the planners of partition riots on our side of Punjab may very well have included the landed and other properties. This point may go some distance to explain why the scale of Partition massacres in other areas of the present Pakistan, for instance Sindh, did not match what happened in Punjab. "

 

from https://tribune.com.pk/story/413855/victims-and-beneficiaries-of-partition/

 

" Landowners have run the country since it was born. They monopolise its agriculture, sit in its parliament and feed on its resources. They are hereditary princes without pedigree, barons without class, capitalists without enterprise..."

 

from https://tribune.com.pk/story/376904/breaking-the-feudal-lords/

 

4 hours ago, YOYO29 said:

I don't think that's true.If he had sad this about South Punjab or rural sindh I would have believed him.If my memory works fine there is only one feudal Gujjar family in Gujarat.Can u ask him to provide other five ?

 

Its very simple. ML used these same feudals to create Pakistan. Now they cannot discard them. Ask yourself how could the ML allow Sikh feudals to be part of this system to shape the future of a Muslim country. The answer simple is that it couldn't.

 

Even that francis mudie said as much in his letter to jinnah. The Zamindar openly called for Sikhs to be driven out of Pakistan.

 

 

4 hours ago, YOYO29 said:

I don't know about these sects so maybe difference between these sikh sects were not that big to attract wrath by mainstream sikhs.The only serious difference i can see is between nirankaris who believe in living gurus and mainstream sikhs.Nirankaris situation is like Ahmadi Muslims who believe that Mirza Ghuam Ahmad sahib is mehdi after Prophet.

No it is not the same. The nirankaris like others have living gurus, but has the Ahmadi founder ever put his feet on the Quran, called it lies, and said that the prophets of islams were false and liars? If he did, then you have a point.

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17 hours ago, YOYO29 said:

It was not like a a larger Muslim punjab plan to eradicate all sikhs from west punjab.

That it was precisely what the Muslims did. Imagine if 42 million Pakistani's were killed tomorrow (=20% of the population massacred). Yes it's a terrifying thought. But that's the scale of the Pakistani Genocide of Sikhs in 1947.

17 hours ago, YOYO29 said:

Absolutely.You just love to generlize people.Should I also generlize the entire Sikh community for dicrmination some 

By all means you can point out deficiencies in individual who might claim to be Sikh but fail to follow the injunctions in their scripture that discrimination is anti-human. On the other hand Islam and the Quran actively promote anti-humane concepts such as slavery and the rape of female sex slaves.

So the objection to your points is on the basis of your trying to claim that Sikhi (as a faith) is "just as bad" as Islam which openly promotes rape, genocide, slavery, terrorism all is practised by the Prophet Muhammad himself and detailed in the Quran and Hadith.

17 hours ago, YOYO29 said:

By the way you people are not far behind discriminating people 

Nobody dispute that are certain pseudo Sikhs who have been infected by the Hindu and Muslim concepts of class discrimination. The difference is that Sikhi wholeheartedly opposes discrimination of all forms whereas Hinduism promotes the caste system and Islam goes a step further with the Quran making excuses for Prophet Muhammad's immoral and inhumane capture, sale and profiteering off the misery of innocent black African slaves.

17 hours ago, YOYO29 said:

As if your lot is better than others.

Even the example you cite of discrimination is over 100 years old when the British Empire controlled Gurdwara's via their Mahants who were NOT Sikh.

16 hours ago, YOYO29 said:

As far throwing stones well it was your lot started categorizing Muslim pecking order.

Again, nobody will deny that there are false Sikhs who are simply nominal Sikhs that discriminate. There are 15,000 Gurdwara's in east Punjab so it is inevitable that one may be used by Hindutva allies (fake Sikhs) in order to besmirch the equality that Sikhi unequivocally stands for forever. The difference is your deliberate moral equivocation of Sikhi and Islam as two religions which are "equally bad".

Islam openly supports genocide, terrorism, rape, slavery, sexual slavery. Sikhi condemns all of those practises and condemns caste discrimination in the harshest terms. Furthermore, whilst a Pakistani will never control Islam from Mecca, Mazhabi Sikhs have led the Sikh Fauj, Mazhabi Sikhs have been Chief Minister of Punjab (in contrast to your Brahmin Muslim leader Shahbaz Sharif), most Granthi's (mullahs) in Punjab are of Mazhabi background and Guru Sahib themselves said that those that the Hindu's amd Muslims despised as low were Guru Sahib's own sons.

16 hours ago, YOYO29 said:

We all know the violence between Nirankaris

Yes 13 innocent Sikhs were killed by the Nirankari's on Indira Gandhi's orders

15 hours ago, YOYO29 said:

Nah man I don't think for a second that even without Rawalpindi massacre Sikhs would have happily accepted to be permanently cut into two halves in both countries.With or without rawalpindi riots east punjab muslims were destined

Yes that Pakistan initiated the Genocide is unquestioned. However, the reality that you are not aware of is that Sikhs were a minority in east Punjab districts of Majha, Doaba and Malwa (present day east Punjab) and it was the Muslim aim of annexation of these districts into Pakistan by starting attacks on Sikhs which in turn caused a belated Sikh fightback to save the Sikh community from total extermination at the hands of Muslims

[TejS]

@YOYO29 I've accepted my own community's failings long back. But that doesn't mean I should stop criticizing the holier-than-thou Muslims? I don't get your purpose here. Every time the forums is having a discussion on here that criticizes or even mentions Muslims, you seem to pop up defending your people. You're not here to learn about Sikhism, you're just here to block any just criticism of Islam.

[TejS]

18 hours ago, YOYO29 said:

As far throwing stones well it was your lot started categorizing Muslim pecking order. I merely responded with the same tongue. 

And did that hurt your feelings lol? Our discussion was relevant to what we were discussing, your post just sounds like you're butthurt. We don't need you to come on here and state the obvious for us every time we talk about Muslims.