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19 hours ago, TejS said:

Sikh Dalits have been treated way better than Muslim low castes historically.

Existence of caste based gurudwaras says otherwise.Why we hear about dalit sikh facing discimination in gurudwaras ?.Tell me when was the last time you heard about lower caste Muslims denied entry into Mosque ?

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20 hours ago, TejS said:

If you folk are so egalitarian,

Never claimed to be egalitarian.Caste system in a reality in south Asia.Nobdoy denies that.It's you people who criticize hindus and muslims for caste system yet turn a blind eye towards the caste system in your own community.

 

20 hours ago, TejS said:

I'd like to see you all marry your daughters to Muslim low castes.

And I would like to see your upper castes marry your daughters to Sikh low caste.Like I said countless times that you should not throw stones when you live in a glass house.Let me know when you have all finished caste system in your own community then we will talk about ours.

 

20 hours ago, TejS said:

And as for discrimination of Dalits in places of religious worship, well Islam is no better: http://islamicvoice.com/untouchability-among-muslims/

It was new to me.My experience is based on Pakistani mosques where i did not witness any of caste discrimination.Here is one video showing discrimination of sikh dalits.

 

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20 hours ago, TejS said:

So why not just convert to be a Hindu or Sikh to be a part of that economic domination? Wasn't that one of the reasons people in the past converted to Islam during the Islamic heyday?

Emotional attachment.It's been centuries since we converted to Islam.I would prefer to stay this way.

 

20 hours ago, TejS said:

So, according to you, all you guys are doing through Pakistan is propagating Arabic culture instead of your own for economic reasons? Kind of seems spineless and shallow to me.

Like I said south asian islam is differnt from arab iranian turkish islam.But yes we do have some aspects of Arab culture visible in Pakistan which should not be a surprise as Islam was created by an Arab.Just like some convert Sikhs from western backgrounds will like Sikh Punjabi culture.Some even changed their western names to Sikh Indian names.So,yes when a religion is developed/created by some ethnic group it will definitely have impact on it and this impact will be visible wherever that religion goes.

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19 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

it is false that those who convert to islam from dalit circles are treated better they are still mistreated



 

I have never said that caste system does not exist in Muslims.It's a reality of south Asia.To whichever religion these dalits convert to , they still face discrimination whether they convert to islam ,christinaity,sikhism. I never denied that .I made a point to those who were criticizing others for caste system that their people are doing that exact same thing which seems to have triggered some of them.

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15 minutes ago, GareebSikh1699 said:

That says it all in regards to Bhai Mardana Ji. Because of his so-called lower caste background in Pakistan he is a nobody according to you whereas to us as Sikhs he is the highest of the high.

come on stop putting your words in my mouth.I said that Pakistanis don't know him not because of some discrimination but because that our people rarely study about different religions.I won't expect an average Indian Sikh to know about some companion of Prophet.Just like you can't expect an average Pakistani to know the name of companions of Sikh gurus.

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21 minutes ago, GareebSikh1699 said:

One (mis)quote from a masters candidate hardly hold much water.

 

Fine !! now tell me why we don't see the same level of minority migration in Bengal ? If Muslims were so evil why they did not cleanse the East Bengal of minorities like they did in West Punjab.There is reason that Muslim reaction was severe in West Punjab than in east Bengal which still has 10% minority population.No huge transfer of population like the scale of Punjab took place in Bengal.Both Bengals still have significant number of minorities. This is in clear contrast to Punjab.Why do you think Punjab situation was worse than Bengal ? Only thing I can think of is that Sikh leadership did not want to have their community permanently cut into half in both countries.So they decided to clear east Punjab of Muslims so that west Punjabi Sikhs could be brought and settled in there.Naturally Muslims followed suit and cleared West Punjab of Sikhs and Hindus to make room for East Punjabi Muslims.

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4 minutes ago, GareebSikh1699 said:

how could Sikh leaders have had such a plan when Sikhs were a minority community in Majha, Doaba and Malwa with numbers broadly matching Muslim numbers only.

a powerful rich minority.There was taks of creating Sikhistan with maharaja patiala as its head.

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