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1 hour ago, JSinghnz said:

Grow up and stop believing in fairytales told by RSS motivated story tellers. There is no change of the sakhi. 

If I believe in the supreme power of naam why would I need any other thing to change my situation? Some argue for sargun havan as Hindus do and some udasis Others stay with nirgun havan which shabad and naam  ...
 

I trust my Guru Pita ji's words and motives  plus I have not heard anywhere that Nauvin Patshah did havan in the Eastern lands and I have trod on that dharti where the sil was diverted and the floating pipal tree which was used by local witch as transport to impress and  try to overpower Guru ji . All the giani told us Guru ji stayed in samadhi and diverted the thrown sil by hand gesture  and the tree was stopped in its tracks . No havans .( Assam Dhubri Sahib )

in this discussion it is clear that Jagjit Singh Harkowale  also maintains havan is something else than a physical fire " a Gurmukh's Havan is when Gyan awakens, when the avashnas are washed with the fire of Brahmgyan. Therefore "havan" like other words is used as a metaphor. ":

http://www.sikhawareness.com/topic/18443-havan-fire-ritual-maryada/

BTW a face palm moment was when somebody claimed it was a medium to reach Waheguru ... Bahar tole so bharam bhulae ....sigh

 

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1 hour ago, jkvlondon said:

after Naina Devi Havan didn't Guru Pita ji say that he wanted to break sikhs from old bharam of Havan and Hom karna thus he agreed to Pandit's proposal ? Or is this a change on the sakhi?

There are sakhis of baba deep singh doing havan etc. 

Singhs used to do havan with chandi paaths at night before going to do jung

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1 hour ago, Singh123456777 said:

There are sakhis of baba deep singh doing havan etc. 

Singhs used to do havan with chandi paaths at night before going to do jung

I know that Chandi paath vidhi says it has to be continuous repetition through the night  so was this just using fire as a sewak of the Gurbani paath  (as deepjots were used in purataan sama during akhand paaths )? I don't believe that this means that agni is some necessary conduit for our prayers as some had suggested or a purifier as Gurbani is clear that Shabad does that .

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31 minutes ago, Singh123456777 said:

They were missionary compared to the sanatan views that other sikhs had.

Sodhak Committee was pretty Sanatani man.

The main guy, Mana Singh was barely there for have of the sessions they had and there were a few guys on there who showed up for every session but didn't know how to read.

Sodhak Committee was just a publicity statement, guys didn't do any proper research.

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3 hours ago, Singh123456777 said:

???

there are places in puratan granths where it tells of sikhs (such as baba deep singh)doing havan etc

Ill post up the brahm kavach bani where it talks about havan

200 years from now your group will be saying Sant Jarnail Singh ji was doing havan.  When someone presents a video where sant ji says not to do havan.  You will say the video is altered.  So there is no end to the nindiya you will spread.  

The problem is, today nihangs are not willing to sacrifice themselves for the Khalsa Panth and they did not let go of their Hindu practices.  There are shabads speaking against havan in Gurbani  but posting it to a guy who ran away from a different discussion will not help here. Hes got an agenda, he throw out learning long time ago. Its like a white girl coming to Sikhi but still hugs her guy friends and views dating as not an issue.  The nihangs try to reinforce their manmat beliefs today and in the past by using authority figures (baba deep Singh ji) and granths.  Everything written in the granths they use is not true.  Yet they will label you as  manmukh because you dont believe everything a so called Granth says.  They dont follow Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji, yet I am the manmukh.  There can't be anything more ridiculous than this but all the little children buy it because they want to belong to a group.  These children don't have the Gurus knowledge and courage to question their baba. 

No Gursikhs ever did havan.  Let me correct this, the havan of a Sikh is to sacrifice their life to Gurbani and then give it to the khalsa Panth.  Since nangs have abandoned both, they are sacrificing rice to a fire.

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2 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

I know that Chandi paath vidhi says it has to be continuous repetition through the night  so was this just using fire as a sewak of the Gurbani paath  (as deepjots were used in purataan sama during akhand paaths )? I don't believe that this means that agni is some necessary conduit for our prayers as some had suggested or a purifier as Gurbani is clear that Shabad does that .

In my honest opinion, havan is just sargan form of bhagti just as doing aarti aarta with divas etc is another form of sargun bhagti. Even chaur sahib, ghee, jot etc is all sargun form of doing namaskar to sargun saroop of maharaj

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15 hours ago, Singh123456777 said:

there are places in puratan granths where it tells of sikhs (such as baba deep singh)doing havan etc

Ill post up the brahm kavach bani where it talks about havan

brahm kavach bani does not talk about havan.

brahm kavach in budha dal gutkas is taken from panth parkash and the last dohra is not mool paath.

watch this video for complete paath.

 

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13 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

I know that Chandi paath vidhi says it has to be continuous repetition through the night 

why all night ? why not day ? is it some form of 'mata ka jagrata' ?

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