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The whole 2020 referendum is a scam and it will not result in anything why ? here's why? 1)  GOI will not just hand over Punjab? it will keep it any cost  as its bordering state with Pakistan 

Why limit khalistan to Punjab? Why not spend money and do parchaar of sikhi and spread it to other communities? Millions of dalits from various communities want acceptance, why not teach them and give

SJF has done more for the Khalistan movement that all the traditional Khalistan organizations such Dal Khalsa and Sardar Simranjeet Singh Mann as well as the diaspora Khalistanis. The fact that the In

24 minutes ago, Punjabiwolves said:

 

The whole 2020 referendum is a scam and it will not result in anything why ? here's why?

1)  GOI will not just hand over Punjab? it will keep it any cost  as its bordering state with Pakistan 

2) Pakistan supports this referendum and Khalistan for its own purpose  so it can use Khalistan to get closer to New Delhi

3) India will want to keep all its states and land intact, it will fight tooth and nail for it, just look at the Kashmir conflict. India will flight China over parts of Sikkim

4) The best chance for Khalistan was I 1947 than 1980's. Now it's a dead movement which has been revived but its nothing more than A zombie

5) Whether we like it or not India is a major player in Todays world. The UK, USA want to keep India sweet as they want good trade deals. They are not going to fully support Khalistan, Russia will fully support India. 

6) Instead of focusing on Khalistan we should focus on improving Punjab. More jobs, a better education system. more urbanisation, basically making Punjab to living standards in the west. 

7) We should have the aim of doing parchars across India to increase the number of Sikhs.not forcefully but by choice. Hinduism is on the decline. 

8.Point number 6 may sadly maybe unrealistic, 10 even 20 years from now we could be having the same discussion but matters might be worst. so what can we do ?  we need to set realistic year on year targets what can be achieved then work from there. The main thing to see a change in a short time and not this waiting around planning 2-4 years for a referendum that will have little or no impact.  waiting hoping and shouting Khalistan slogans is all that's been done and what effect has it had . do you want this to carry one for the next 10 20 even 40 years ? 

Yes the whole referendum 2020 is a scam because it will place the spotlight on the worlds lagest democracy for denying a legal binding referendum to take place on its soil.

Yes it is a scam because the will of the people is crushed with brutality in democracy.

Yes it’s a scam because it ultimately will benefit all Punjabis but mostly Sikhs living in Punjab or the diaspora.

Yes it must be scam because the neighbouring country wants India to fail as country even though this will benefit all Sikhs living within its territory or in the diaspora.

The whole thing is scam as only the RSS, Raw and the bootlickers of India dressed as Lions but surely sheep underneath the image can see this.  

The best way for freedom is to make Punjab prosper as this will surely strengthen the case for our fellow Sikhs in Punjab to look for an alternative for their miserable lives.

I can’t believe this!  

 

 

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2 hours ago, Guest Anonymous said:

you're missing the bigger picture,

Do you really think you're gonna ask for referendum and they gonna give you what you want ?

Do you really think they gonna give you terr. from Himalayas to Rajasthan or whatever you askin'

they wont even give you Amritsar like that........

You Guys just........ i dont know where ya'll are living........ 

I couldn’t care less wether India gives us a referendum or not.  The world needs to see and most importantly the Sikhs inside Punjab need to see that they are living under a facist regime which is no different to the Mughals of past.  This will prove to the world that India is a joke And deserves no place within the UN.  

Do you now see the bigger picture of why this referendum is soiling the dhotis of India and do see this could trigger other states to follow Punjab referendum.

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On 9/26/2018 at 10:33 PM, TigerForce1 said:

Pannu needs to be supported by all Sikhs regardless of which Jathebandia 

Singh Ji I respect your sincerity but when Pannun raised massive funds at Gurdwara Makhan Shah Labana in New York a while back without accounting for where those funds were used for exactly (on the pretext of 2020) it was the first red flag about him as an individual. Now him aligning the cause for an independent Punjab with overt Pakistani support raises serious questions about his lack of judgement. Will the same people responsible for the Pakistani Genocide of Sikhs and the ongoing supply of heroine in Punjab suddenly become the best friends of Sikhs? So on one side the Pakistani's co-operate with Delhi in drugging out and destroying younger Sikh generations but just because they throw a bone of operating the SFJ website and sending speakers like Lord Nazir Ahmed to chant "Khalistan Zindabad" they are suddenly to be trusted?

15 hours ago, TigerForce1 said:

Yes the whole referendum 2020 is a scam because it will place the spotlight on the worlds largest democracy for denying a legal binding referendum to take place on its soil.

China isn't even a democracy yet the West could give two hoots about how the Chinese oppress Tibetans. Similarly USA, Russia, UK, Canada, France all care more about business with 1.3 billion Indians than human rights for Sikhs.

Yes it’s a scam because it ultimately will benefit all Punjabis but mostly Sikhs living in Punjab or the diaspora.

How will an online referendum overseas which is legally non-binding help Sikhs in east Punjab in any way shape or form? This stunt is actually benefitting the enemies of Sikhs (like Captain) and is hurting inward investment into Punjab's economy by NRI's who are being treated with contempt by Captain. All the Canadian Sikh MP's and both British Sikh MP's have treated it as the meaningless stunt that it is. 

Yes it must be scam because the neighbouring country wants India to fail

That's just the thing. Pakistan's Army is smart. It doesn't want India to fail completely. Because India is what helps hold Pakistan together. They just want India and Sikhs to mutually bleed and be a market for Pakistani drugs. If India split into constituent states then so obviously would Pakistan and so would the gravy train of Pakistani Army funding collapse. So Pakistan knows 2020 is meaningless but it strategically weakens India to a degree and generates tourism revenue to Pakistan (by portraying Pakistan as a friend of Sikhs). Pannun has already stated with the Pakistani's that he and SFJ will be campaigning for 2020 extensively from Pakistan next year in 2019. And obviously the Pakistani Punjabi's are licking their lips at the naive Sikhs who will spend millions enriching the Pakistani economy there in 2019 whilst those same Sikhs cannot help poor Sikhs in Punjab with financial help or investment but are happy staying in 4 and 5 star hotels in Pakistan singing the praises of those who ethnically cleansed all Sikhs out in the Pakistan Genocide of Sikhs in 1947.

 

 

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21 hours ago, TigerForce1 said:

I couldn’t care less wether India gives us a referendum or not.  The world needs to see and most importantly the Sikhs inside Punjab need to see that they are living under a facist regime which is no different to the Mughals of past.  This will prove to the world that India is a joke And deserves no place within the UN.  

Do you now see the bigger picture of why this referendum is soiling the dhotis of India and do see this could trigger other states to follow Punjab referendum.

These guys are coming seeing only where there profite is.... They only want power..... You too( if ya included) ..... Talkin' abt people's right in india.... Man did these came out of there shells or did they ever spoke when the students are getting mistreatment all over .... Did they speak when GURMEHAR KAUR was targetted...... Did they speak when KANHAYIA KUMAR and UMAR KHALID was arrested....... Did they speak when A common Man is Beaten To death ? ..... No, because the So Called REFERENDUM Wont give them POWER in other states..... They only care abt POWER ....... STOP ASTRAYING PEOPLE.... you are WASTING OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY

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1 minute ago, Punjabiwolves said:

LOL your totally missing the points I made especially point number 1. 

So your point is we should just forget about any demand for Khalsa Raj because the Indian state will never hand over territory.  

My point is forget about what the Indian State wishes to do.  They are not our masters and we need to free ourselves from this slave mentality.  We should do what pleases us and if that means driving off a cliff then so be it.  Stand by your fellow Sikhs who are working for the betterment for our community.  Focus on what we want not what the Indian state wants.

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53 minutes ago, Punjabiwolves said:

Wouldn't it be simpler to form a political party and take control of Punjab legally. do we really want to lose control over the 2 important Sikh Takht's in  Sri Patna Sahib and Sri Hazur Sahib not to mention the other important Gurdwaras across India?  The fight is against  GOI Not India the nation itself. 

I understand what you are saying and I have had these conversations with myself many times.  I have come to the realisation that no Panthic Political Party in Punjab is allowed to grow to a level where it can resolve or control its own affairs.  There is no democracy in Punjab as the party’s that are given a platform will need to play to the strings of Delhi.  The stance which Delhi or the Hindus have towards Sikhs is very hostile and dishonest.  

The Takhts are nothing but architectural buildings once the Guru Granth Sahib is removed from them.  We have an allegiance to our Guru not the buildings.  Don’t get me wrong I have a lot respect for those Takhts but they are not able to function whilst Delhi interferes with them and we cannot protect our Guru or Takhts affectively as long we have no cover or protection from our own state.  So the question is will we be able survive, function and thrive as quom within a hostile state or would it better to fight till death for a separate homeland. 

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8 hours ago, Guest Free Tibet said:

Singh Ji I respect your sincerity but when Pannun raised massive funds at Gurdwara Makhan Shah Labana in New York a while back without accounting for where those funds were used for exactly (on the pretext of 2020) it was the first red flag about him as an individual. Now him aligning the cause for an independent Punjab with overt Pakistani support raises serious questions about his lack of judgement. Will the same people responsible for the Pakistani Genocide of Sikhs and the ongoing supply of heroine in Punjab suddenly become the best friends of Sikhs? So on one side the Pakistani's co-operate with Delhi in drugging out and destroying younger Sikh generations but just because they throw a bone of operating the SFJ website and sending speakers like Lord Nazir Ahmed to chant "Khalistan Zindabad" they are suddenly to be trusted?

 

 

singhsabha1699 or Isingh1699 or is it GuestFreeTibet!  I didn’t reply to your same copy and paste personal message that you have sent to me under 3 names now in the last year.  So that should tell you I don’t trust your intentions!  So I don’t need to reply to this!  Do undersatans what I’m saying?

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2 hours ago, Guest Sikh by knowledge said:

These guys are coming seeing only where there profite is.... They only want power..... You too( if ya included) ..... Talkin' abt people's right in india.... Man did these came out of there shells or did they ever spoke when the students are getting mistreatment all over .... Did they speak when GURMEHAR KAUR was targetted...... Did they speak when KANHAYIA KUMAR and UMAR KHALID was arrested....... Did they speak when A common Man is Beaten To death ? ..... No, because the So Called REFERENDUM Wont give them POWER in other states..... They only care abt POWER ....... STOP ASTRAYING PEOPLE.... you are WASTING OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY

Looks like someone’s frothing at the mouth and shivering too.  You need to save your money and buy yourself some anti rabies meds and stop worrying about the Sikh quoms money.  Nothing to do with you!

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On 9/20/2018 at 8:44 AM, Guest Imran Cheema said:

 

Are all the Pakistani's in the video agreeing that all of Pakistani Punjab and Kashmir will be a part of the Khalistan?

Are they also agreeing that Khalistan will be ruled by Gurpatwant Panni with the capital being at Lahore once again?

If Khalistan does not include areas where Sikhs are a minority does that mean all the parts of Punjab where Hindu's are a majority like Doaba, Amritsar, Jalandhar, Ludhiana and all Hindu majority cities will be excluded just leaving the villages of Majha and Malwa?

Also if Pakistani Punjab and Kashmir are not included in Khalistan does that mean that what is being said is wherever Sikhs are a minority will be excluded from Punjab meaning that all Modi has to do stop this is accelerate making Sikhs become a minority in east Punjab?

If Khalistan is only those small areas which have a Sikh majority like Brampton and Surrey will we need a visa to go to Amritsar in the future just because Sikhs are a minority in Amritsar?

If all non-Sikhs in east Punjab who are almost half the population can vote in the referendum then wouldn't make it impossible for a democratic vote to be cast in favour of Khalistan? As if the non-Sikhs are even willing to disown speaking Punjabi in favour of Urdu and Hindi what makes us think that they will all of a sudden vote for Khalistan out of the blue especially if Muslim majority areas won't agree to be part of it?

 

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18 hours ago, TigerForce1 said:

Looks like someone’s frothing at the mouth and shivering too.  You need to save your money and buy yourself some anti rabies meds and stop worrying about the Sikh quoms money.  Nothing to do with you!

this doesn't answer my questions Sir.......

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On 9/29/2018 at 10:30 AM, Guest Nankana Sahib said:

Are all the Pakistani's in the video agreeing that all of Pakistani Punjab and Kashmir will be a part of the Khalistan?

Are they also agreeing that Khalistan will be ruled by Gurpatwant Panni with the capital being at Lahore once again?

If Khalistan does not include areas where Sikhs are a minority does that mean all the parts of Punjab where Hindu's are a majority like Doaba, Amritsar, Jalandhar, Ludhiana and all Hindu majority cities will be excluded just leaving the villages of Majha and Malwa?

Also if Pakistani Punjab and Kashmir are not included in Khalistan does that mean that what is being said is wherever Sikhs are a minority will be excluded from Punjab meaning that all Modi has to do stop this is accelerate making Sikhs become a minority in east Punjab?

If Khalistan is only those small areas which have a Sikh majority like Brampton and Surrey will we need a visa to go to Amritsar in the future just because Sikhs are a minority in Amritsar?

If all non-Sikhs in east Punjab who are almost half the population can vote in the referendum then wouldn't make it impossible for a democratic vote to be cast in favour of Khalistan? As if the non-Sikhs are even willing to disown speaking Punjabi in favour of Urdu and Hindi what makes us think that they will all of a sudden vote for Khalistan out of the blue especially if Muslim majority areas won't agree to be part of it?

 

No Pakistani Punjab obviously will not be part of Khalistan as there are only few thousand Sikhs left in Pakistan after 1947. So Lahore can obviously never be the capital of Khalistan.

No Kashmir obviously cannot be a part of Khalistan but the creation of Khalistan would cut off India's main access to Kashmir via Gurdaspur and this would therefore enable Indian occupied Kashmir to merge with Pakistan.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/referendum-2020-pro-khalistan-group-to-hold-its-next-campaign-event-in-pakistan/story-oxYHIzt2Y6FKZYfmnW2uBJ.html

The non-binding vote for Khalistan would only be open to the existing (Indian) Punjab state as that is the only area where Sikhs have a slight majority. Voting would also be open to the 43% of non-Sikhs in Punjab.

As a democratic exercise all those areas where non-Sikhs are in a majority in Indian Punjab such as Doaba, Jalandhar and Gurdaspur would be free to choose to remain with India.

Mr Pannun as an American citizen has no desire to lead Khalistan but should be praised for being the individual who single-handedly ended the armed struggle for Khalistan after 1984 and transforming it into solely a purely democratic movement to be achieved by votes. Sikhs for Justice also accept that if a majority of people in Indian Punjan vote against Khalistan in the non-binding vote that would be the will and choice of the people.

Sophia Jamil : Sikhs for Justice Spokeswoman

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