This Pic of Guru Gobind Singh ji is copied from Jesus ?

[imhosingh 148]

https://www.imindersingh.com/ has great art too

[indersingh1313 52]

On 9/8/2018 at 1:35 PM, Guest said:

 

its just an artist's point of view or imaginations and he copied or imagined with his painting! many different paintings or picture are getting made by different artists nowadays too. I don't see anything wrong with it. 

 

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42 minutes ago, indersingh1313 said:

its just an artist's point of view or imaginations and he copied or imagined with his painting! many different paintings or picture are getting made by different artists nowadays too. I don't see anything wrong with it. 

 

I'm not saying the following statement represents the whole truth about the situation, but...in a way it's kind of punk rock similar to wearing boars teeth etc. 

In some instances perhaps the art used a specific motif to send a message. 

Or like wearing two dastar or two shastar when only certain people could be seen doing so legally at the time. 

I'm not making any sense. 

[MisterrSingh 4,717]

Aside from surface similarities to other religious figures, according to Sikh theology these pictures of Guru Sahibs don't make any sense. 

Why are they pictured on their knees praying to a force in the heavens when Sikhi tells us that they themselves are that same force? Who are they praying to?

[Guest]

16 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

Aside from surface similarities to other religious figures, according to Sikh theology these pictures of Guru Sahibs don't make any sense. 

Why are they pictured on their knees praying to a force in the heavens when Sikhi tells us that they themselves are that same force? Who are they praying to?

When did gurus say they're that force ? every time in baani Guru sahibs referred to themselves as servants of god , or more humbly as "servants of servants of god" (daasan das) , in baani gurus ask for dust of feet of those who even for an instant meditate on god , Guru sahibs are more humble than anything you can even imagine , and this is as per baani . 

It is our sentiment that has equated them to god, they themselves never claimed so , and Guru Gobind singh ji went one step further and said "Jo humko parmesar uchre , narak kund main sab pare. mo ko daas tavan ka jaano, ya main bhed na ranch pachhano" (pardon exact accuracy) , but it translates to "Whoever calls me god will fall in pit of hell. Know me as slave of almighty , and have no doubt in this " 

Having said that, I would also like to add that brahmgyaanis and truly enlightened people never refer to themselves in a revering way. Gurus were god in the sense that water is water. But they never boasted about it . 

Who they're praying to ? the above pic of Guru Gobind singh ji fits the guru's poem "mitar pyaare nu , haal murida da kehna" . This reverent pose with folder hands towards heaven is wrong however , since god is not "upwards" but omnipresent, and therefore best seeken inside rather than outside . Abrahamics however think (due to common misinterpretation of their texts )  that allah/god/yahweh resides on heaven. 

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For Christ's sake, is this discussion still happening? Jesus!!

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18 minutes ago, AjeetSingh2019 said:

When did gurus say they're that force ? every time in baani Guru sahibs referred to themselves as servants of god , or more humbly as "servants of servants of god" (daasan das) , in baani gurus ask for dust of feet of those who even for an instant meditate on god , Guru sahibs are more humble than anything you can even imagine , and this is as per baani . 

It is our sentiment that has equated them to god, they themselves never claimed so , and Guru Gobind singh ji went one step further and said "Jo humko parmesar uchre , narak kund main sab pare. mo ko daas tavan ka jaano, ya main bhed na ranch pachhano" (pardon exact accuracy) , but it translates to "Whoever calls me god will fall in pit of hell. Know me as slave of almighty , and have no doubt in this " 

Having said that, I would also like to add that brahmgyaanis and truly enlightened people never refer to themselves in a revering way. Gurus were god in the sense that water is water. But they never boasted about it . 

Who they're praying to ? the above pic of Guru Gobind singh ji fits the guru's poem "mitar pyaare nu , haal murida da kehna" .

That doesn't change the fact that Sikh sants and mahapurash says there is no difference between God and the Guru. In fact, Sikh theologians clearly state that Guru Sahibs were not even avatars of God (an extension of his total form) but God in human form.

So were Guru Sahibs being humble? Self effacing? Faux modesty? 

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This reverent pose with folder hands towards heaven is wrong however , since god is not "upwards" but omnipresent, and therefore best seeken inside rather than outside . Abrahamics however think (due to common misinterpretation of their texts )  that allah/god/yahweh resides on heaven. 

Yeah, that's what I said. Why are you trying to argue with me?

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45 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

That doesn't change the fact that Sikh sants and mahapurash says there is no difference between God and the Guru. In fact, Sikh theologians clearly state that Guru Sahibs were not even avatars of God (an extension of his total form) but God in human form.

So were Guru Sahibs being humble? Self effacing? Faux modesty? 

Yeah, that's what I said. Why are you trying to argue with me?

This is a tricky topic . But if you read eight ashtapadi of Sukhmani sahib , it deals with Brahmgyaanis . In it is one line which says "brahm gyaani alone knows other brahm gyaani" . there're other passages in SGGS which talks of discerning signs of brahmgyaanis by which you can usually spot them from the otherwise outwardly saintly crowd. 

Abrahamic texts don't necessarily say God resides on a cloud . For instance , Ayat-al-kursi (verse of throne) from Quran (last of 4 abrahamic scriptures) speaks of god in a way that suggests panentheism . 

Attaching the text here : 

Allah! There is no god but He - the Living, the Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can seize Him nor Sleep. His are all things in the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede in His presence except as he permitteth? He knoweth what (appeareth to His creatures As) Before or After or Behind them. Nor shall they compass aught of His knowledge except as He willeth. His throne doth extend over the heavens and on earth, and He feeleth no fatigue in guarding and preserving them, For He is the Most High, the Supreme (in glory).

 I think its an emotionally stirring spiritual passage from a scripture which has not-so-good stuff too. 

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India is good at copying art. Just look at the music and film industry there.

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23 hours ago, Redoptics said:

Also none of our Guru's had a portraits done of themselves

wrong, guru hargobind told artists to make a potriat of himself 

 

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On 2/10/2021 at 11:04 AM, indersingh1313 said:

its just an artist's point of view or imaginations and he copied or imagined with his painting! many different paintings or picture are getting made by different artists nowadays too. I don't see anything wrong with it. 

 

The point is you are getting sucked into paintings that people bow too, basically idiolising, which 1st we are not to do 2nd the painting is of someone else.

[Redoptics 328]

On 2/11/2021 at 9:23 AM, Tamansingh123 said:

wrong, guru hargobind told artists to make a potriat of himself 

 

Showing me a painting and saying wrong look, isn't proving anything.

[indersingh1313 52]

3 minutes ago, Redoptics said:

The point is you are getting sucked into paintings that people bow too, basically idiolising, which 1st we are not to do 2nd the painting is of someone else.

no way! painting is just a painting mate! I don't bow in front of painting! 

 

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Gurbals Patshai 6 says that Guru Hargobind let the Sangat make portraits of him. https://m.facebook.com/TuriyaSeva/photos/pcb.1176905369065172/1176887992400243/?type=3&source=48&__tn__=EH-R

It says Bhai Bdih Chand made it.

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40 minutes ago, indersingh1313 said:

no way! painting is just a painting mate! I don't bow in front of painting! 

 

Well a lot of people do.