Why are we not Hindus?

[namespace]

The Guru straight up said:
It is the 3rd way
AND
IT
IS
SUPREME!!!

[BhForce]

On 10/27/2018 at 8:43 AM, Guest Bhujang said:

It's clear that Sikhi is very different from Islam. However, same cannot be argued for Hinduism. Sikhi shares a lot with it; reincarnation, concept of Guru-student, mukti etc. Given that Hinduism encompasses various differing traditions, Sikhi can be accepted as a tradition within the wider Hindu dharma. It technically is and has been, until the British-funded Singh Sabha

Right, the British who beat up and allowed the killing of Sikhs marching under the auspices of the SGPC?

If the British were so in love with the Singh Sabha, why didn't it just hand the keys of Nanakana Sahib and other gurdwaras over to them?

That's really strange ... a conspiracy hatched by the British to removed Hindu (mahant) control of the Gurdwaras and give them to their stooges. Except that that's not what happened, until their hand was forced.

[BhForce]

On 10/27/2018 at 8:43 AM, Guest Bhujang said:

It's clear that Sikhi is very different from Islam. However, same cannot be argued for Hinduism. Sikhi shares a lot with it; reincarnation, concept of Guru-student, mukti etc. Given that Hinduism encompasses various differing traditions, Sikhi can be accepted as a tradition within the wider Hindu dharma. It technically is and has been, until the British-funded Singh Sabha

Yeah, it's just some random fellow named "Nanak" that said we're neither Hindus or Muslims, that Hindus are blind, and that they are wrong from the start.

Thank God that "Guru Guest Bhujang ji" came along to set us straight.

Dhanvaad.

 

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

Naa Ham Hindhoo N Musalamaan ||

I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

ਭੈਰਉ (ਮਃ ੫) (੩) ੪:੧ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੧੩੬ ਪੰ. ੧੧ 
Raag Bhaira-o Guru Arjan Dev

https://www.searchgurbani.com/guru-granth-sahib/shabad/4205/line/10

 

ਹਿੰਦੂ ਅੰਨ੍ਹਾ ਤੁਰਕੂ ਕਾਣਾ ॥

Hindhoo Annhaa Thurakoo Kaanaa ||

The Hindu is sightless; the Muslim has only one eye.

ਗੋਂਡ (ਭ. ਨਾਮਦੇਵ) (੭) ੪:੧ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੮੭੫ ਪੰ. ੨ 
Raag Bilaaval Gond Bhagat Namdev

https://www.searchgurbani.com/guru-granth-sahib/ang/875

 

ਹਿੰਦੂ ਮੂਲੇ ਭੂਲੇ ਅਖੁਟੀ ਜਾਂਹੀ ॥

Hindhoo Moolae Bhoolae Akhuttee Jaanhee ||

The Hindus have erred from the start; they are going the wrong way.

ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ ਵਾਰ (ਮਃ ੪) (੨੦) ਸ. (੧) ੨:੧ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੫੫੬ ਪੰ. ੯ 
Raag Bihaagrhaa Guru Nanak Dev

 

 

 

[Guest iKaur_London]

WGK~~WGF

I think the "Guest Bhujang" is a <banned word filter activated>, because they criticize and Sikhi by saying Guru's copied the ideas of reincarnation from The Laws of Manu 12, 54-69 and Garuda Purana 5:

"The murderer of a brahmin becomes consumptive, the killer of a cow becomes hump-backed and imbecile, the murderer of a virgin becomes leprous – all three born as outcastes. The slayer of a woman and the destroyer of embryos becomes a savage full of diseases; who commits illicit intercourse, a eunuch; who goes with his teacher’s wife, disease-skinned. The eater of flesh becomes very red; the drinker of intoxicants, one with discoloured teeth… ..Who steals food becomes a rat; who steals grain becomes a locust… perfumes, a muskrat; honey, a gadfly; flesh, a vulture; and salt, an ant…. Who commits unnatural vice becomes a village pig; who consorts with a Sudra woman becomes a bull; who is passionate becomes a lustful horse…. These and other signs and births are seen to be the karma of the embodied, made by themselves in this world. Thus the makers of bad karma, having experienced the tortures of hell, are reborn with the residues of their sins, in these stated forms. 

And inserted into: (Bhagat Trilochan, Raag Gujri, p.526 SGGS): 
"At the very last moment, one who thinks of wealth, and dies in such thoughts, shall be reincarnated over and over again, in the form of serpents.
O sister, do not forget the Name of the Lord of the Universe.
At the very last moment, he who thinks of women, and dies in such thoughts, shall be reincarnated over and over again as a prostitute.
At the very last moment, one who thinks of his children, and dies in such thoughts, shall be reincarnated over and over again as a pig.
At the very last moment, one who thinks of mansions, and dies in such thoughts, shall be reincarnated over and over again as a goblin.
At the very last moment, one who thinks of the Lord, and dies in such thoughts, says Trilochan, that man shall be liberated; the Lord shall abide in his heart."

They also attack the ceremony of Sukhasan because they think it was copied from Hindu Pranapratishta rituals which was meant for Idols and murtis! 

[Guest guest]

On 10/27/2018 at 4:43 PM, Guest Bhujang said:

It's clear that Sikhi is very different from Islam. However, same cannot be argued for Hinduism. Sikhi shares a lot with it; reincarnation, concept of Guru-student, mukti etc. Given that Hinduism encompasses various differing traditions, Sikhi can be accepted as a tradition within the wider Hindu dharma. It technically is and has been, until the British-funded Singh Sabha

if you believe in Guru Nanak and not any other religion, then that makes you a sikh.  It means you only look to him for your salvation (i.e. you follow only his instructions).  

The teachings of SGGS, however, are universal as they get to the essence of religion.  So a Hindu or Muslim can still learn from SGGS because the universal aspects apply to their religions too.

If Hindus want to say Sikhism is a form of Hinduism, then that is their business and  we should not be offended by that.  Nor is Sikhism some sort of 'anti Hindu' movement.  Not everything brahmins do or say is bad.

[Guest guest]

On 10/29/2018 at 3:16 AM, BhForce said:

If the British were so in love with the Singh Sabha, why didn't it just hand the keys of Nanakana Sahib and other gurdwaras over to them?

 

what made Singh Sabha think it was okay to grab these places by force?  

Guru Gobind Singh never allowed sikhs to grab Harimandir Sahib or the Adi Granth by force.

Stealing someones property by force is theft and a sin.  SGPC still try and do this with remote Gurdwaras.

[Guest guest]

On 10/28/2018 at 6:56 PM, RajKaregaKhalsa1 said:

there is no caste system

there is no caste system in lingayats and some other Hindu groups either

[S1ngh]

22 hours ago, Guest guest said:

what made Singh Sabha think it was okay to grab these places by force?  

Guru Gobind Singh never allowed sikhs to grab Harimandir Sahib or the Adi Granth by force.

Stealing someones property by force is theft and a sin.  SGPC still try and do this with remote Gurdwaras.

You make no sense. Let's talk about Babri Masjid, shall we? What are your opinions on that case?

[BhForce]

On 10/30/2018 at 9:22 AM, Guest guest said:

On 10/28/2018 at 8:16 PM, BhForce said:

If the British were so in love with the Singh Sabha, why didn't it just hand the keys of Nanakana Sahib and other gurdwaras over to them?

 

what made Singh Sabha think it was okay to grab these places by force?  

Guru Gobind Singh never allowed sikhs to grab Harimandir Sahib or the Adi Granth by force.

Stealing someones property by force is theft and a sin.  SGPC still try and do this with remote Gurdwaras.

1. Why don't you try refuting anything I said? You have no answer, that's why.

2. "OK to grab these places by force?" 

Are you kidding me? Did the mahants have a title deed in their name written by Guru Raam Daas ji, who bought the area of Amritsar by paying landowners of 3 surrounding villages?

3. If someone came and started living in your house, do you think it would be horrible for you to come back?

4. I notice that you conveniently dropped the ridiculous claim that the Singh Sabha was created by the British. By asking your question, you have implicitly accepted that the Singh Sahba was not pro-British and vice versa.

5. "Guru Gobind Singh never allowed sikhs to grab Harimandir Sahib or the Adi Granth by force."

What are you even talking about? First of all, if you were a Sikh, you'd say "ji", not just "Guru Gobind Singh".

Secondly, do you even know that Guru Gobind Singh ji sent Bhai Mani Singh ji to take possession of the Harimander Sahib?

6. "Stealing someones property by force is theft and a sin."

Good that you admit that. So, tell us, how did the Mahants come into possession of the Gurdwaras? Like you say, stealing property is a sin.

The fact is that Gurdwaras are the property of the Guru. The personal property of the Gurus was passed on to their descendants. The money that the Sangat provided for Guru's works was separate, and was passed on to the next Guru, not to the Guru's sons. After Guru Gobind Singh ji, the Guruship is with Guru Granth Sahib and the Khalsa Panth.

So now do you understand why the Panth is entitled to its Gurdwaras?

 

Why don't you go back to RSS headquarters and tell them that they didn't prepare you enough.

[BhForce]

On 10/28/2018 at 5:21 PM, namespace said:

The Guru straight up said:
It is the 3rd way
AND
IT
IS
SUPREME!!!

ਇਹ ਤੀਸਰ ਮਜ਼ਹਬ ਖ਼ਾਲਸਾ ਉਪਜਿਓ ਪਰਧਾਨਾ ।

This third religion, the Khalsa, was created as supreme.

(Vaar Bhai Gurdas II)

Bhai Gurdas II was a favored poet of Guru Gobind Singh ji.

Clear as day Sikhs saw themselves as a 3rd path, separate from Hindus and Muslims.