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DO Sikhs always play the victim?

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4 hours ago, mahandulai said:

I went to a poetry night recently, and all the poems are about sadness, and victimisation of the sikhs........?

Well our people become Shaheed and were brutally murdered man and woman were raped etc. Horrible!

We haven't even been told how many were actually killed and with the more information that the Panth collects, we see that it becomes worse and worse

https://youtu.be/NH-Q-lEBf8M

To answer your question we are not playing the victim since we want justice for basic human rights being violated, we're not trying to get people to cry for us or anything but help us show the world that some people are just sick and corrupt

 

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8 minutes ago, RajKaregaKhalsa1 said:

 

To answer your question we are not playing the victim since we want justice for basic human rights being violated, we're not trying to get people to cry for us or anything but help us show the world that some people are just sick and corrupt

 

Who in the world doesn't know this? 

And look at how apnay go to other sick and corrupt groups of people, like they will help them. How many decades have they been crawling up to the united nations with no result? How much has all the marches in London and bull5hit attempts at leveraging Parliament helped? Meanwhile in England, Sikh and white girls have been getting sexually abused on industrial scales - whilst the politicians, police and social services have looked on and actually helped the abusers more than anything. Don't that tell you something about what people in power really feel about your issues?

I think apnay are stuck in a dead and defunct political mode, and make themselves look like clowns. Do you think in this increasingly unstable world, where lots of people are feeling insecure, and violence lurks everywhere anyone really gives a 5hite about 'Sikh human rights' from the 80s?

I think a lot of the quom have completely lost touch with reality and their political acumen is nonexistent. 

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2 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

Who in the world doesn't know this? 

And look at how apnay go to other sick and corrupt groups of people, like they will help them. How many decades have they been crawling up to the united nations with no result? How much has all the marches in London and bull5hit attempts at leveraging Parliament helped? Meanwhile in England, Sikh and white girls have been getting sexually abused on industrial scales - whilst the politicians, police and social services have looked on and actually helped the abusers more than anything. Don't that tell you something about what people in power really feel about your issues?

I think apnay are stuck in a dead and defunct political mode, and make themselves look like clowns. Do you think in this increasingly unstable world, where lots of people are feeling insecure, and violence lurks everywhere anyone really gives a 5hite about 'Sikh human rights' from the 80s?

I think a lot of the quom have completely lost touch with reality and their political acumen is nonexistent. 

can agree to an extent,

but the harassment thing happens everywhere, and is a side issue.

i think everyone has some form of opression, that they can speak about, literally every culture, always playing the blame game. throughout the year, sikhs literally talk of nothing except how theyve been opressed, and blah blah blah

6 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

you are the kind of guy who would go to a holocaust commeration and say why so sad? In case it escaped you 31st oct  to 6 November is Delhi Genocide week

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, RajKaregaKhalsa1 said:

Well our people become Shaheed and were brutally murdered man and woman were raped etc. Horrible!

We haven't even been told how many were actually killed and with the more information that the Panth collects, we see that it becomes worse and worse

https://youtu.be/NH-Q-lEBf8M

To answer your question we are not playing the victim since we want justice for basic human rights being violated, we're not trying to get people to cry for us or anything but help us show the world that some people are just sick and corrupt

 

 

2 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

Who in the world doesn't know this? 

And look at how apnay go to other sick and corrupt groups of people, like they will help them. How many decades have they been crawling up to the united nations with no result? How much has all the marches in London and bull5hit attempts at leveraging Parliament helped? Meanwhile in England, Sikh and white girls have been getting sexually abused on industrial scales - whilst the politicians, police and social services have looked on and actually helped the abusers more than anything. Don't that tell you something about what people in power really feel about your issues?

I think apnay are stuck in a dead and defunct political mode, and make themselves look like clowns. Do you think in this increasingly unstable world, where lots of people are feeling insecure, and violence lurks everywhere anyone really gives a 5hite about 'Sikh human rights' from the 80s?

I think a lot of the quom have completely lost touch with reality and their political acumen is nonexistent. 

here we have an interesting result?

@RajKaregaKhalsa1 is quite liberal, and full of seva,

@dallysingh101 replied. and he feels disrespected, because people have been taking us for fools, for a long time.

lets remember where each other stand,  your views are important.

 

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18 minutes ago, mahandulai said:

 

here we have an interesting result?

@RajKaregaKhalsa1 is quite liberal, and full of seva,

@dallysingh101 replied. and he feels disrespected, because people have been taking us for fools, for a long time.

lets remember where each other stand,  your views are important.

 

That's not really a true representation of my feelings. 

They are more along the lines of: people will take naturally advantage of fools, and our lot have been acting politically and socially naive so it's inevitable that they will get mugged off. 

It's more of a 'wake up and smarten up' call than anything else. 

Stop crawling up to others to solve your problems essentially, especially when it is so obvious through action (or inaction) that they don't care - whatever they say with their mouths. Welcome to real grownup politics.

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1 hour ago, mahandulai said:

 

here we have an interesting result?

@RajKaregaKhalsa1 is quite liberal, and full of seva,

@dallysingh101 replied. and he feels disrespected, because people have been taking us for fools, for a long time.

lets remember where each other stand,  your views are important.

 

Well Dallysingh101 knows more than me, I'm not that old so doesn't really matter what I say

But I agree with what DallySingh is saying about how we have been played as fools

Not sure if we can call ourselves victims 

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3 minutes ago, RajKaregaKhalsa1 said:

Well Dallysingh101 knows more than me, I'm not that old so doesn't really matter what I say

But I agree with what DallySingh is saying about how we have been played as fools

Not sure if we can call ourselves victims 

Yes we are victims - victims of our own naivety and gullibility. The blame is squarely on us for acting like proper lulloos.

Maybe it's time to change that? If you've got that in you????

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2 hours ago, mahandulai said:

can agree to an extent,

but the harassment thing happens everywhere, and is a side issue.

i think everyone has some form of opression, that they can speak about, literally every culture, always playing the blame game. throughout the year, sikhs literally talk of nothing except how theyve been opressed, and blah blah blah

 

despite the oppression from day one of sikhi , we have risen above; so your poorly worded excuse is just that an excuse for being ignorant  about sikh achievements, in ALL spheres of life . We are the only people who can think of buying desert land and making it flower and flourish, we take our orphans and they become the Bhagat Singhs of the world or Milkha SInghs

We are not the Jews who get triggered even if you question anything  or take their name , I read about their holocaust it was just one and it has been made into an excuse to control the media, the world's resources and steer it towards oblivion. I don't see Sikhs doing that Anywhere , They feed the poor, clothe the ex-slaves, protect the hunted down and give love and respect to the destitute. I do not see that in any major way by any other faith or people. Growing up I got hear constantly about the six million but they seem to forget the 30 million that they killed through their bolshevik activities

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5 hours ago, mahandulai said:

can agree to an extent,

but the harassment thing happens everywhere, and is a side issue.

i think everyone has some form of opression, that they can speak about, literally every culture, always playing the blame game. throughout the year, sikhs literally talk of nothing except how theyve been opressed, and blah blah blah

 

Importantly so. Seeing as the Sikh identity and history are under constant attack, and certain nation states apparently need reminding of the shining example and sacrifices made by Sikhs. Need reminding Sikhs have earned and secured their rights as a people having done so for others. 

This isn't to say individual Sikhs need to be individually trapped by a victim mentality, but to cease speaking truth of the Sikh struggle only serves imperialists and brutal mass murders capable of attempted genocide who wish to rewrite history for their own comfort while they continue into the future as brutal and dangerous as ever. 

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From what I have come to see in history Sikhs have a right to play the victim in most cases. For centuries slaughtered by mughals, only to in the 20th century be gunned down by the English, Hindis, and Gurka, on many occasions. Don't forget in the US just recently an Islamophobe shot up a Gurdwara and a police captain's son punched a gramp in the face. Blue Star.

Surprisingly though Sikhs have complained less about being the victims than let's say Jews or native peoples. It could be increasing around the youth because the whole victim mentality is out of control due to education.

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15 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Importantly so. Seeing as the Sikh identity and history are under constant attack, and certain nation states apparently need reminding of the shining example and sacrifices made by Sikhs. Need reminding Sikhs have earned and secured their rights as a people having done so for others. 

This isn't to say individual Sikhs need to be individually trapped by a victim mentality, but to cease speaking truth of the Sikh struggle only serves imperialists and brutal mass murders capable of attempted genocide who wish to rewrite history for their own comfort while they continue into the future as brutal and dangerous as ever. 

maybe ur right, and the theme of the century right now, is oppression, and everyones just feeling down.

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8 hours ago, mahandulai said:

maybe ur right, and the theme of the century right now, is oppression, and everyones just feeling down.

Oppression is nothing new. Someone is always (at least trying to) oppress others. I think what might be happening is that people who've long been on the receiving end are waking up to this and questioning it. 

On the flipside, some of the people who have been traditionally privileged are also now feeling 'oppressed' because they've had to compete with outsiders and they feel that some of their privilege is now being eroded. That explains a lot of political things we see around us today, like Trump and the re-emergence of the far right in various parts of Europe. 

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19 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

Oppression is nothing new. Someone is always (at least trying to) oppress others. I think what might be happening is that people who've long been on the receiving end are waking up to this and questioning it. 

On the flipside, some of the people who have been traditionally privileged are also now feeling 'oppressed' because they've had to compete with outsiders and they feel that some of their privilege is now being eroded. That explains a lot of political things we see around us today, like Trump and the re-emergence of the far right in various parts of Europe. 

Trump is a good guy.

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