Do you agree and support Ranjit Dhahderanwala Prachar?

[chatanga1]

Ok I will try and be politer. But its very hard to find to find any polite words for these people. They are no different from the narakdharis.

[Singhballer]

On 11/5/2018 at 6:02 AM, carinder said:

 listen to this all

I have responded to the views and arguments expressed by Bhai Ranjit Singh Ji in the above video. I apologize for the length. 

 

Maryada

Guru Gobind Singh Ji made one maryada

• Correct, he gave the Khalsa one maryada
  • How do we as Sikhs determine what that maryada is? 
  • The first step is to compile and analyze all historical documents and literature that shed light on the Khalsa's maryada at the time of Guru Gobind Singh Ji and the early 18th century. Bhai Ranjit Singh Ji has not presented any historical research or analysis to prove what was the original Khalsa maryada  

If people take Amrit at different places, can their views ever be the same? 

• They can be the same and are the same for a vast majority of topics. Udasis, Nirmale, Taksaal/Giani, Nihang Singhs all have maryadas that differ, however all of these sampardas agree on the foundational principles and values of Sikhi.
• The areas they have differing views on (meat, length of mool mantar, keski as a kakaar) are all smaller details and subsidiary aspects of maryada. The sampardas agree on the core of how to understand, practice, and experience Sikhi.

Sampardas/Babas claim their maryada is supreme

• I have never heard any Samparda/Baba make the claim that their maryada is above all others. Bhai Ranjit Singh Ji must provide evidence of showing that a specific Samparda/Baba has claimed this 
• Sampardas may voice the merits of their maryada, that it is based on historical rehitnamas or has been in place and untouched for hundreds of years, but that does not mean that they come from an egotistical position of "holier-than-thou" as Bhai Ranjit Singh Ji is trying to paint their position as

Babas put their own views into maryada and spread it using Amrit/Panj Pyare. They do this in order to build a unique identity, to avoid making one Panthic maryada, and get "Star Baba" treatment 

• Bhai Ranjit Singh Ji is relying solely on his perception to reach the conclusion that what Sampardas/Babas are doing is undoubtedly with nefarious intentions 
• Bhai Ranjit Singh Ji may be using a logical fallacy here related to apophenia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia).
  • Specifically, he is connecting patterns of behaviour (Sampardas/Babas preaching their maryada) with meaning and intention (doing it for selfish reasons + to divide the Panth) without providing any evidence to prove that supposed intention 
• In order to make this claim, Bhai Ranjit Singh Ji must have evidence that can prove the intention, motives, and mental thoughts the Samparda/Babas he is pointing to
• Without providing any evidence, Bhai Ranjit Singh Ji has created a toxic narrative about Sampardas/Babas which then will transplant into the minds of his followers/listeners fermenting further disdain for fellow Sikhs 

Bhai Ranjit Singh Ji believes everyone should conform to the Akal Thakt Maryada because he believes it is the closest to Gurmat

• Is the Akal Thakt maryada the one that was given to the Khalsa by Guru Gobind Singh Ji? Obviously not. So then why is this maryada considered the most accurate one by Bhai Ranjit Singh Ji? 
  • He offers no historical  historical research or written sources to prove that this maryada is most in line with the maryada Guru Gobind Singh Ji gave us
  • Bhai Ranjit Singh Ji, and the missionary parchariks at large, are interpreting Sikhi using western philosophy (logic/science). This results in a distorted, warped, and inaccurate understanding of Gurmat.
  • Thus, we cannot believe his assertions of a particular maryada being in line or out of line with Gurmat because his understanding of Gurmat is, at its core, flawed

Background on Akal Thakt Maryada

Sources: The Sikh Reht Maryada, The 50 Year History of the SGPC by Shamsher Singh Ashok

• Is this maryada Panth Parvanit? Has it been passed and approved by the Panth? Or the Akal Thakt?
  • The answer, which may surprise many, is NO.
• The SGPC created a committee in 1927 to create a Sikh Rehit Maryada
  • The 29 original members of this committee included: Sant Sundar Singh Ji of Damdami Taksal, Akali Kaur Singh of the Nihangs, Sant Sangat Singh Ji of the Sevapanthis, Bhai Kahan Singh Ji Nabha, Sant Gulab Singh Ji Gholia, Bhai Vir Singh Ji, Sant Man Singh Ji Khankhal of the Nirmale, Bhai Randhir Singh Ji of the Akhand Kirtani Jatha + more
  • 11 of these original members, including representatives from Taksal, AKJ, Nirmale, and Sevapanthis, as well as, Bhai Vir Singh Ji and Prof. Jodh Singh Ji, were never present at the deliberations that took place
  • Over the years additional comments and opinions were incorporated from dozens of other Sikhs, but whole sections of the Panth still were not part of the deliberations
  • Committees were constituted over the years and discussions/debates took place in 1927, 1931, 1932, 1933,
  • The 1933 deliberations were at an impasse and they were put on hold for a undetermined amount of time. These were the last deliberations
  • In 1936, without any further deliberations taking place to get full consensus and approval from the Panth, it was passed by the SGPC
• The current version you see today is everything the Panth could agree upon as being the "at minimum" maryada. They still were deliberating on other details and aspects where they couldn't build consensus.
• At no point was this maryada passed by the representatives of the Panth to be the governing maryada for all Sikhs. It was still a work-in-process document
• As pointed out earlier, sections of the Panth did not even have the chance to take part in the deliberations, therefor the resulting document is still incomplete in that respect too

Bhai Ranjit Singh Ji believes the Akal Thakt Maryada is supreme and "is the best one to make us one"

• He wants everyone to conform to the Akal Thakt Maryada as a prerequisite for Panthic unity, yet this is a maryada that is incomplete and left halfway through deliberations 

Bhai Ranjit Singh Ji views other maryadas as "going backwards"

• He has already decided that other maryadas from different Sampardas are nonsense
• He wants all Sikhs to conform to the Akal Thakt maryada first, and then make any changes
  • This is illogical. Why not deliberate and agree on a maryada first before making it applicable to the whole Panth?
• It seems he wants one Panthic maryada but only on his terms. Not with the samvaadh and consensus of the entire Panth. He is unwilling to consider the merits of other Sikhs' views and any historical/philosophical evidence they might present 

Bhai Ranjit Singh Ji says "Babas divided the maryada"

• How can Babas have divided the maryada if there was never one singular maryada to begin with?
• Before the 1936 SGPC passed maryada, there were already numerous versions being followed
• Rather, one singular maryada has never been constituted and passed by the entire Panth

Bhai Ranjit Singh Ji makes numerous claims of "you believe in x, y, z" which is against Gurmat

• Instead of addressing the individual person who may have said what he finds frivolous, he paints all those who disagree with his viewpoints with the same brush
• He generalizes here to depict all those who don't agree with him to be nonsensical. He does not distinguish. This creates animosity in his followers/listeners for everyone who disagrees with him

Bhai Ranjit Singh Ji says "I say what seems right to me"

• He shouldn't say what seems right to him. He should say what is right according to the Guru
• If others in the Khalsa Panth think the viewpoint and philosophy he is using to determine "what is right" is incorrect and flawed, he should want to genuinely hear out critiques, not dismiss them
• The excuse that all those who don't agree with him are violent is a farce. There are plenty he could have a genuine conversation with

History

Bhai Ranjit Singh Ji says "he only accepts history that is correct" 

• He brings forth no historical evidence, new research, documentation, or archaeological discoveries to disprove accounts in Suraj Parkash
• He does not even mention that Suraj Parkash is an unedited Granth and the Brahmin assistants of Kavi Bhai Santokh Singh Ji inserted their own writings into his work
  • He either does not know the history behind Suraj Parkash or is purposely withholding these facts from his followers/listeners 
• The tall tales the Bhai Ranjit Singh Ji is referencing in Suraj Parkash is not accepted BY ANYONE in the Panth. However, Bhai Ranjit Singh Ji seems to be implying that the Samparda parchariks do believe in those tall tales
  • Can Bhai Ranjit Singh Ji provide a single example when anyone has done Katha of those sections in Suraj Parkash?
  • These parts are entirely omitted from katha or an explanation of the inaccuracies are given. 
  • He is using this point to show other parchariks in a negative light by implying they believe and do katha of these tall tales  
• If Bhai Ranjit Singh Ji thinks something in our history is false, he must prove his case. It is foolish to state you think something is wrong but not show your opinion is based on evidence
• To disprove those written accounts one must:
  • Do their own historical research, find additional written sources, do archaeological studies, that result in differing evidence
• Bhai Vir Singh Ji did that in his Suraj Parkash Steek
  • There are inaccuracies in Suraj Parkash due to:
    • 1. Incomplete information compiled by Bhai Santokh Singh Ji 
    • 2. Tampering and alteration of his work by his Brahmin assistants 
  • Bhai Vir Singh Ji brings forth additional evidence through his own historical research to show that some things in the Granth are inaccurate.

Bhai Ranjit Singh Ji says "they already killed one of our guys"

• He's implying with "they", that everyone who disagrees with him or find inaccuracies in his views are of the same group of people who tried to kill him

Card Stacking

• Card stacking  is a method of argumentation in which important counter-arguments are purposefully omitted, creating an imbalance of evidence in an effort to bias the argument
• This is a logical fallacy that Bhai Ranjit Singh Ji seems to make use of over and over in his arguments. I don't know if its intentional or unintentional but it misleads people and is a deceitful tactic