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I was at one of my favourite Gurudwaras recently for someone's Akhand Paath & the atmosphere as usual was divine.But the Granthis were as usual ill educated, out of 'SUR' when singing Shabads with filmi tunes  - one must have continued to speak of Macauliffe & how the Christian missionary 'saved Sikhi' for the good of Punjab. Looking around, most of the sangat were either not interested in what the Granthi was saying, nor anyone seemed to know who the hell is Macauliffe even.. Little did this Granthi know the extent of damage & poison that has been the main cause of Macauliffe's mistranslations, manipulations of the Shri Adi Granthji & seeds of anti-Hinduism sown into every Sikh's mind. The type of 'Parchaar' or speeches going on nowadays in most Gurudwaras are actually dragging Sikhi backwards & away from the Guru's original words & preaching. Is it any wonder that Sikhs are lost nowadays? Either we get the most radical brainwashed Khalistani Talibani Sikhs with turbans & beards only as their identity with no clue as to what the original Sanatan Sikhi was as per the Guru's word - or  - we get those who don't even care whether they are Sikhs or not. Their's is just to drink their cash away, eat all types of meat, go to the local Gurudwara for showing off to their Sikh neighbours only - but the true essence of Sikhi is truly withering away daily as seen in most Gurudwaras. The most annoying & disappointing thing about the way in which the Granthis sing Shabads & Kirtans nowadays is no way near to arousing any spirituality within the hearts of the listeners or devotees. Perhaps we ought to demand that these Granthis or Raagis to sing in the original Ragas in which the Shabads are meant to be sung in. 

I'll finish the post with this fantastic video & hope you all enjoy listening to this Shabad Kirtan bani of Shri Guru Angad Devji in its traditional Raga Sri Raga Di Vaar

 

 

 



WaheGuruji Ka Khalsa
WaheGuruji Ki Fateh
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1 hour ago, Guest SARBJIT said:

I was at one of my favourite Gurudwaras recently for someone's Akhand Paath & the atmosphere as usual was divine.But the Granthis were as usual ill educated, out of 'SUR' when singing Shabads with filmi tunes  - one must have continued to speak of Macauliffe & how the Christian missionary 'saved Sikhi' for the good of Punjab. Looking around, most of the sangat were either not interested in what the Granthi was saying, nor anyone seemed to know who the hell is Macauliffe even.. Little did this Granthi know the extent of damage & poison that has been the main cause of Macauliffe's mistranslations, manipulations of the Shri Adi Granthji & seeds of anti-Hinduism sown into every Sikh's mind. The type of 'Parchaar' or speeches going on nowadays in most Gurudwaras are actually dragging Sikhi backwards & away from the Guru's original words & preaching. Is it any wonder that Sikhs are lost nowadays? Either we get the most radical brainwashed Khalistani Talibani Sikhs with turbans & beards only as their identity with no clue as to what the original Sanatan Sikhi was as per the Guru's word - or  - we get those who don't even care whether they are Sikhs or not. Their's is just to drink their cash away, eat all types of meat, go to the local Gurudwara for showing off to their Sikh neighbours only - but the true essence of Sikhi is truly withering away daily as seen in most Gurudwaras. The most annoying & disappointing thing about the way in which the Granthis sing Shabads & Kirtans nowadays is no way near to arousing any spirituality within the hearts of the listeners or devotees. Perhaps we ought to demand that these Granthis or Raagis to sing in the original Ragas in which the Shabads are meant to be sung in. 

I'll finish the post with this fantastic video & hope you all enjoy listening to this Shabad Kirtan bani of Shri Guru Angad Devji in its traditional Raga Sri Raga Di Vaar

 

 

 



WaheGuruji Ka Khalsa
WaheGuruji Ki Fateh
 .

 

so are people who dont do it in raag, wrong?

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Guruji has prohibited us from singing Gurbani to filmy tunes

when sung without raag it becomes less enchanting. Before the British came many more string instruments were even used in kirtan

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1 hour ago, Guest SARBJIT said:

Guruji has prohibited us from singing Gurbani to filmy tunes

when sung without raag it becomes less enchanting. Before the British came many more string instruments were even used in kirtan

Agree that it is better and preferable that Gurbani be sung in the Raags it is written for. However, the point about "filmy tunes" is not strong, imo. The raags bani is written in were probably used in nautch dance parties of Mughal, Rajput and others, as well. 

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The reason for raag is because music opens the heart and raag is very strong and makes you feel a specific emotion and Guru Sahib wants you to get than emotion e.g. hope (raag Asa) and pair that with singing of Waheguru ji's praises.

It doesn't really matter if raag is used is not because it matters if you really mean what you say

It's sounds better than harmonium though

 

 

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1 hour ago, RajKaregaKhalsa1 said:

It doesn't really matter if raag is used is not because it matters if you really mean what you say

I would re-evaluate this statement. It very much does matter if Raag is used, else Guru Sahib wouldn't have written Gurbani in Raag.

I'm not against some other forms of Kirtan e.g. Dharna, but Raag should be implemented as the standard.

I could mean what I say but I could sing it in the wrong tune...does that make it acceptable? Imagine if someone was doing Mool Mantar Jaap to the tune of, lets say, Jingle Bells. Would you not object?

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6 minutes ago, MrDoaba said:

Jingle Bells. Would you not object?

Yeah I didn't mean that

I meant like using the Harmonium since that can't really play raag like most raagis do now. Sorry didn't phrase it correctly. Obviously filmy tunes shouldn't be used to

 

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8 minutes ago, RajKaregaKhalsa1 said:

Yeah I didn't mean that

I meant like using the Harmonium since that can't really play raag like most raagis do now. Sorry didn't phrase it correctly. Obviously filmy tunes shouldn't be used to

 

Apologies.

Even still, by allowing the harmonium and making the exception on a large scale is technically going against Maryada. If the Raagis cannot play in Raag then that is their problem, not Sikhi's. They should endeavour to learn Raag.

Obviously they don't because being a Raagi is just a way to make a quick quid or two these days...God forbid it matter what they are saying and actually learn Raag lol.

 

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