Lilly - Wannabe black girl

[dallysingh101]

17 hours ago, Big_Tera said:

How do we stop Sikh youth from looking up to the black culture? 

For instance there is a girl called Lilly a punjabi girl on youtube. She promotes the whole black culture. Many punjabi women look up to her. She talks and act like a typical ghetto black girl. 

Looks like us Panjabis are struggling with an identity crisis. Many of the young punjabi boys look up to rap stars and dress like pure black people. 

Why are we not strong in our own identity and need to latch on to the black culture - Such as dress sennce, music, dread locks in hair. If it aint blacks then we latch on to the white culture. Such as going down the pub for a pint. 

Is it really possible to grow up in a  diaspora community where you are a minority and not get influenced by other cultures around you? The only way I imagine this is possible is if we go the route of those Hasidic Jews, and form REALLY insular communities. But this has its own problems too, where some of our own backward cultural practices get promoted and propagated - like caste, bhangra, getting drunk and fighting like pendu fudhoos etc.  

I agree that we should duck aspects of other cultures that aren't useful to us. But to think that we can't learn from others in various ways seems extremely unrealistic. 

The reason so many look up to others (especially strong kalay) is because most of the community don't project REAL power and strength anymore. People naturally gravitate to confidence and creativity. The question you need to ask is what happened to ours? 

You talk about black music, but a few apnay have been working (quite successfully too!) as producers for various black (and other) artists. Look at Steel Banglez, Sewak etc. for examples. I like certain urban music too - like drum and bass, because I feel the beats are energising and inspiring. Does that make me a wannabe too? 

As for going down the pub for a pint. I remember many of the old school apnay from back home (who worked in construction) from the 70s and 80s onwards used to go to the pub regularly (they don't now). This was more than just boozing. It was actually networking for work, that used to go on in mainly Irish pubs (that would get violent at times). And if you are going to judge that, look at how apnay monopolised off licenses for a while (and even booze warehouses) in england. Our lot were on the forefront of supplying alcohol and cigarettes to the masses for a while. 

Lilly was good in her early days. Her 'Things Panjabi moms do' is a classic. Okay, like many girls, once power and promotion comes along, they lose their mind and get addicted to the attention. Plus we all know whitey doesn't like to miss an opportunity to use people to promote their own agenda - be this through the Lillys of the world or some apna fudhoo fetishising the bygone british imperial period by dressing up as soldiers of that time without having a clue about the wider implications of this. 

Her ish paid off though. Look at how other male apnay who started about the same time as her and actually put her on, don't get a fraction of the hits she does (like Jus Reign and Aka-amazing).

Why single her out? I tell you this will continue to happen, until we sort out our own 'cool' and strength, and stop projecting this docile, crusty, conservative image we generally have right now. 

[MisterrSingh]

Punjabi entertainers, whether they're western born or resident Punjabis (singers, etc) are the biggest clowns out there. The briefest of browsing through social media highlights how... weird they seem to be, lol. It's like they're plastic in every sense. And these people are unarguably successful in their fields -- fair play -- but they're seen as authorities and voices of status by so many of their fans. Dodgy.

[dallysingh101]

8 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

Punjabi entertainers, whether they're western born or resident Punjabis (singers, etc) are the biggest clowns out there. The briefest of browsing through social media highlights how... weird they seem to be, lol. It's like they're plastic in every sense. And these people are unarguably successful in their fields -- fair play -- but they're seen as authorities and voices of status by so many of their fans. Dodgy.

You just swung it for me. 

The truth is that I'd rather listen to some black urban stuff than the penduism that passes itself off as Panjabi 'culture'.  That stuff is truly generic and brainless.  

Hip Hop is a thousand times more diverse and creative. 

[puzzled]

1 hour ago, jkvlondon said:

sad snoop is a porn promoter , pimp and open about using and abusing women

drake is an <banned word filter activated> , who can only objectify women, whilst promoting ayaashi

Beyonce is someone who is so high on her own ego she dresses like a goddess one minute , a <banned word filter activated> the next and does this whole I get possessed on stage and don't remember what I do .

My sister loves beyonce, and is super defensive of her. When I tell her beyonce legs look like horse legs she gets really mad with me. She even went to beyonce concert and came back home at 11pm. She bought clothes from beyonce H&M line, beyonce dvds, beyonce mugs, beyonce fragrance, it's madness 

It's madness how people get caught up in this and start idolizing these people.

Listen to their music, that's fine, but when you start looking up to then and start idolizing them then that's brainwashing and worrying 

[dallysingh101]

4 minutes ago, puzzled said:

My sister loves beyonce, and is super defensive of her. When I tell her beyonce legs look like horse legs she gets really mad with me. She even went to beyonce concert and came back home at 11pm. 

It's madness how people get caught up in this and start idolizing these people.

Listen to their music, that's fine, but when you start looking up to then and start idolizing them then that's brainwashing and worrying 

Girls naturally latch on to pretty, powerful female role models who are outspoken. The reasons for this should be obvious.  

Maybe Beyonce is a much better role model than those white b1tches that make up Hollywood. Who act all 'empowered' but then are too scared to challenge the Harvey Weinsteins of the world? 

[puzzled]

3 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

Girls naturally latch on to pretty, powerful female role models who are outspoken. The reasons for this should be obvious. 

I really don't know the reason?

[puzzled]

But still, rather have sister look up to beyonce than trash like the Kardashians.  

[GuestKaur2]

2 minutes ago, puzzled said:

But still, rather have sister look up to beyonce than trash like the Kardashians. 

The Kardashians are on a whole other level

[MisterrSingh]

9 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

You just swung it for me. 

The truth is that I'd rather listen to some black urban stuff than the penduism that passes itself off as Panjabi 'culture'.  That stuff is truly generic and brainless.  

Hip Hop is a thousand times more diverse and creative. 

There is some genuinely soulful and deep stuff by a few of them for whom it's an art; basically the guys who've been classically trained in Punjabi poetry and music, etc, but the crass commercial bakwaas that gets airplay on a wider scale is the stuff that makes us look weird.

[MisterrSingh]

8 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

Maybe Beyonce is a much better role model than those white b1tches that make up Hollywood. Who act all 'empowered' but then are too scared to challenge the Harvey Weinsteins of the world? 

She's no better. Just as damaging in her own unique way. I'm surprised you can't see this.