SIKHI and AARTI

[Jaggaa]

@Amit12 Lighting dive and throwing flowers at the Gurdwara is a practice in complete contradiction to the message of Gurbani. It's an upward battle though because your discussion isn't with people who are able to think beyond the walls of their own existence. It's like showing a mirror to aboriginals.

The fact this type of practice originates from dharmic faiths such as hinduism is actually irrelevant. If it was a good practice for us to take advantage of then I'd be all for it, but the fact is - it is equatable to throwing water to the sun so that it reaches those that have passed. If somebody with the message of Guru Nanak was to arrive today then the majority of mainstream Sikhs would reject him/her and if he/she suggested that these practices had no place in the Gurdwara they would find a way to create humiliation for such a person.

People seem to be able to justify almost ANYTHING and EVERYTHING at WILL. They are hellbent on pushing their own narrative on to those around them. I see the current state of Sikhs especially here in the UK no more than a flavour of the month, weird cringe fashion show circus collective of people who lack self-confidence and only join the faith to "belong" somewhere. The end.

[Akalifauj]

6 minutes ago, Jaggaa said:

 

If it was a good practice for us to take advantage of then I'd be all for it, but the fact is - it is equatable to throwing water to the sun so that it reaches those that have passed. 

Your analogy does not apply here.  The sun is far away and the water won't reach the sun. Yet Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji is sitting close.  The sangat is all around the Guru and have the ability to read Gurbani. Aarti in the form of celebration to throw flowers on Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji is okay.  

Some bow their heads.  Some bow with their total body and head.  But if at the end you have not bowed with your mind to the Gurus teachings then all was wasted.  Aarti is a tricky one because the Guru instructs to bow with mind and body.  This we know for a fact. Same goes for chaur sahib; its allowed even though chaur sahib is described to be the trees in the aarti shabad part of Sohila Sahib.  With aarti there is no instructions to perform it as one big act.  But bits and pieces have been taken from it and are used by the Gurus and Gurmukhs for Sri  Guru Granth Sahib ji. A lamp lit before Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji and waved has not been approved by any shabad in Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji that I know.  

[Punjabiwolves]

what's wrong with Arthi. it's been going done at Patna Sahib and Hazoor Sahib for centuries. even in Buddhism, they have Arthi.   its not exclusive to Hinduism. 

[Guest GuestSingh]

6 hours ago, Jaggaa said:

People seem to be able to justify almost ANYTHING and EVERYTHING at WILL. They are hellbent on pushing their own narrative on to those around them. I see the current state of Sikhs especially here in the UK no more than a flavour of the month, weird cringe fashion show circus collective of people who lack self-confidence and only join the faith to "belong" somewhere. The end.

@S1ngh @ADMIN @MOD strange how a recent post of mine that said the same thing about non-panjabi converts was deleted, presumably after being reported, yet its fine to say it about panjabis?

why one rule for us and another for converts? havent u seen the stuff some of them do? they are in no way superior to us so please lose your inferiority complex, any mental shackles and think again before doing matha tek to them - oppressing an opinion thats based on observation and speaks the truth just to appease to potential converts is quite pathetic and doesnt serve the actual purpose of this forum..

if it was reported by certain posters, they need to do the same - u might think ur clever but the truth hurt u..and oppressing it too only makes you come across weird liberals pursuing a 'religious' agenda...

[Amit12]

8 hours ago, Jaggaa said:

@Amit12lf somebody with the message of Guru Nanak was to arrive today then the majority of mainstream Sikhs would reject him/her and if he/she suggested that these practices had no place in the Gurdwara they would find a way to create humiliation for such a person.

 

Who knows, at current State we won't even notice when someone like guru Nanak will come and go.... If guru Nanak was to share his views today with the sikhs, then he'll probably get (I apologise for using this word ) ex-communicated by taksalis.

[Amit12]

7 hours ago, Punjabiwolves said:

what's wrong with Arthi. it's been going done at Patna Sahib and Hazoor Sahib for centuries. even in Buddhism, they have Arthi.   its not exclusive to Hinduism. 

Buddhism was penetrated far long ago by Hindu Religious heads.... There is no Buddhism in India anymore.... at current pace, Sikhism will be buried too.... And most of you wont even notice it.... Cuz you've been doing things told by your mahapurakhs and never have you ever tried following SGGS ji.

That is why ,to prove something, most people refers to KATHAS of BABBEys and not actual BANI. cuz they know they never read anything like that in BANI..  

[Jaggaa]

I'm not against the practice it self. For all I care, you can adore the darbar with all the flowers, candles and whatever else floats your boat. It's the attaching these tradition based sentiments to the Guru and his message,  creating rituals that the rest of the congregation must subscribe to.

Unfortunately I have seen far worse take place in the Darbar Sahib but that doesn't mean just because there are diseases such as Cancer you start ignoring Chicken Pox (or something else less fatal).

This is perhaps off-topic but in my opinion the Guru and the panth was started where leaders could come together, regardless of their own individual differences and meet in a place where they could all agree on one thing - the Guru. Instead, we have a bunch of validation seeking sheep who are manipulating the sangat in to their own acquired ideologies/rituals and putting Guru jee on the backseat.

[chatanga1]

8 hours ago, Jaggaa said:

8 hours ago, Jaggaa said:

instead, we have a bunch of validation seeking sheep who are manipulating the sangat in to their own acquired ideologies/rituals and putting Guru jee on the backseat.

 

 

Dhadriwala does exactly that. He banks on his sheep and sheep like you support him. Why did you run from the other topic yet turn up here to castigate others? It’s sheeps like you that cause such a mess in the Panth.

[intrigued]

I dont this this topic is resolved, whats the purpose behind this aarti and what does it symbolize? Sikhs are against mindless rituals so it is important to know the reason behind this...

[Premi5]

On 12/16/2018 at 10:25 AM, Guest said:

 

I think this explains