Dasam Granth in Eng/Punjabi

[savalakhsingh]

On 12/30/2018 at 11:04 AM, Redoptics said:

I would love to learn, why Guru Gobind Singh Ji,  didn't want to add his writings to Guru Grant Sahib Ji,  i know thw theory of not wanting to make Guru Grant Sahib Ji too big.

I'm not sure if it is true but maybe Guru Gobind Singh jee was showing humility in that they didn't feel they were on the same level as those whose writings are in Guru Granth Sahib jee, they said "Sabh Sikhan ko Hukam Hai, Guru Maneyo Granth" so maybe they added their writings in a whole separate Granth because they didn't want people to bow down to their writing as a sign of humility?

[Amit12]

On 12/31/2018 at 7:08 PM, savalakhsingh said:

I'm not sure if it is true but maybe Guru Gobind Singh jee was showing humility in that they didn't feel they were on the same level as those whose writings are in Guru Granth Sahib jee, they said "Sabh Sikhan ko Hukam Hai, Guru Maneyo Granth" so maybe they added their writings in a whole separate Granth because they didn't want people to bow down to their writing as a sign of humility?

Naah you cant say One Guru had Different Thoughts than Others, Guru Arjan Dev ji added his Bani Himself in SGGS, that doesn't create lesser humility for one and for other,  more Humility.

[puzzled]

Didn't mata sahib kaur and bhai mani singh collect dasam bani and then complile it? That's enough for anyone to believe that the bani belongs to guru gobind singh 

[RajKaregaKhalsa1]

44 minutes ago, puzzled said:

Didn't mata sahib kaur and bhai mani singh collect dasam bani and then complile it? That's enough for anyone to believe that the bani belongs to guru gobind singh 

Yeah, I think Baba Deep Singh ji also helped in the process. And by reading it you know it was Guru Sahib's Bani, no one can come close to writing like Maharaj.

[savalakhsingh]

3 hours ago, Amit12 said:

Naah you cant say One Guru had Different Thoughts than Others, Guru Arjan Dev ji added his Bani Himself in SGGS, that doesn't make one More humiliate and other Lesser Humiliate.

ok i guess that makes sense 

[Redoptics]

Ohh my, some of our elders have lost their way, Dasam Granth is amrit bani.

 

[BhForce]

On 12/30/2018 at 3:04 AM, Redoptics said:

I would love to learn, why Guru Gobind Singh Ji,  didn't want to add his writings to Guru Grant Sahib Ji,  i know thw theory of not wanting to make Guru Grant Sahib Ji too big.

It's been posted on this site before. There's a historical granth in which the Singhs ask Guru ji to add their bani to Guru Granth Sahib.

Guru ji declines saying that (Guru Granth Sahib) is Guru, this (Dasam Granth) is my play.

[Not2Cool2Argue]

On 12/30/2018 at 3:04 AM, Redoptics said:

I would love to learn, why Guru Gobind Singh Ji,  didn't want to add his writings to Guru Grant Sahib Ji,  i know thw theory of not wanting to make Guru Grant Sahib Ji too big.

When gore ruled india. They were trying to study all the religions. And finally one gora was able to convince a nirmala saadh/baba to get darshan of SGGS. But when gora asked to see the other granth. The saadhu refused, saying its only for the khalsa. 

So while SGGS ji is for all of humanity, dasam granth is for the khalsa. For their spiritual upliftment, for knowledge of warfare, historical granths of other faiths that have been translated for knowledge of the past etc

[chatanga1]

On 1/1/2019 at 11:25 AM, Amit12 said:

Naah you cant say One Guru had Different Thoughts than Others, Guru Arjan Dev ji added his Bani Himself in SGGS, that doesn't create lesser humility for one and for other,  more Humility.

Guru Arjan Dev ji accepted the oppressors deeds without resorting to the sword, but Guru HarGobind Sahib resorted to the sword to fight oppressors. The Jyot was one but the actions weren't. The answer has nothing to do with humility.

 

 

On 1/1/2019 at 11:36 AM, puzzled said:

Didn't mata sahib kaur and bhai mani singh collect dasam bani and then complile it? That's enough for anyone to believe that the bani belongs to guru gobind singh 

Baba Deep Singh compiled one of his own as well.

 

On 4/24/2019 at 6:31 AM, BhForce said:

It's been posted on this site before. There's a historical granth in which the Singhs ask Guru ji to add their bani to Guru Granth Sahib.

Guru ji declines saying that (Guru Granth Sahib) is Guru, this (Dasam Granth) is my play.

Banswalinama by Kesar Singh Chibber.

 

 

[chatanga1]

On 12/30/2018 at 11:04 AM, Redoptics said:

I would love to learn, why Guru Gobind Singh Ji,  didn't want to add his writings to Guru Grant Sahib Ji,  i know thw theory of not wanting to make Guru Grant Sahib Ji too big.

The style of writing of Sri Dasme Patshah's Granth Sahib is very different from Sri Guru Granth Sahib. Sri Guru Granth Sahib is written in Raag, which are to be used in Kirtan, whereas Dasam Bani is all written in Chhands, apart from a very very small part in raags. Chhands are poetic ways of recital along a drumming rhythm.  Writings in Chhands are to be recited, not sung.

This is imho, one of the main reasons why Guru Sahib didn't add it. Also importantly the themes of both Granths are quite different.

 

SS Kapoor in his book about Sri Dasme Patshah's Granth Sahib has detailed the different styles of chhands.

 

This is a video about Chhands if anyoen is interested:

 

or look at page 21 in the book (pg 25 of the pdf) for more info:

 

http://sikhbookclub.com/Book/Dasam-Granth