What is free will in sikhi?

[N30S1NGH]

I don't think we have free will , just like we cannot stop breathing by our own will, breathing occurs spontaneously and naturally, there is no will either way to stop breathing by body even if he tries to hold breathing , one cannot do it indefinitely.

This topic reminds me of quote by Einstein: you could will what you want but you cannot will what you will.  Back drop is preordained. 

Good thread on sa regarding this: 

http://www.sikhawareness.com/topic/15329-does-waheguru-do-everything/

[N30S1NGH]

According to my understanding, ape beej ape khao bachan is matter of doer ship, if you do the actions with doership*/identity/ego then cycle of karma ensues then you will get fruit based on those actions. But if you allow actions spontaneously coming directly from consciousness then its direct expression of that consciousness-vahiguru- everything is expression of divine. Sukhmani sahib talks about this over and over again - how vahiguru is doing everything, enjoying, expressing itself. There is only one and there is no one besides one.

Regarding- Akhan jor gurbani vak- it alludes to the point there is no free will everything is per-odained- you can will what you want but you cannot will what you will which means backdrop of everything is pre-determined*.

Doership*

Ang-278

ਜਬ ਇਹ ਜਾਨੈ ਮੈ ਕਿਛੁ ਕਰਤਾ ॥
जब इह जानै मै किछु करता ॥
Jab ih jānai mai kicẖẖ karṯā.
As long as this mortal thinks that he is the one who does things,

ਤਬ ਲਗੁ ਗਰਭ ਜੋਨਿ ਮਹਿ ਫਿਰਤਾ ॥
तब लगु गरभ जोनि महि फिरता ॥
Ŧab lag garabẖ jon mėh firṯā.
he shall wander in reincarnation through the womb.

*Pre-determined

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqLDWyk1uLQ

Science experiment:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQ4nwTTmcgs

[Akalifauj]

7 hours ago, N30S1NGH said:

According to my understanding, ape beej ape khao bachan is matter of doer ship, if you do the actions with doership*/identity/ego then cycle of karma ensues then you will get fruit based on those actions. But if you allow actions spontaneously coming directly from consciousness then its direct expression of that consciousness-vahiguru- everything is expression of divine. Sukhmani sahib talks about this over and over again - how vahiguru is doing everything, enjoying, expressing itself. There is only one and there is no one besides one.

Regarding- Akhan jor gurbani vak- it alludes to the point there is no free will everything is per-odained- you can will what you want but you cannot will what you will which means backdrop of everything is pre-determined*.

Doership*

Ang-278

ਜਬ ਇਹ ਜਾਨੈ ਮੈ ਕਿਛੁ ਕਰਤਾ ॥
जब इह जानै मै किछु करता ॥
Jab ih jānai mai kicẖẖ karṯā.
As long as this mortal thinks that he is the one who does things,

ਤਬ ਲਗੁ ਗਰਭ ਜੋਨਿ ਮਹਿ ਫਿਰਤਾ ॥
तब लगु गरभ जोनि महि फिरता ॥
Ŧab lag garabẖ jon mėh firṯā.
he shall wander in reincarnation through the womb.

How would you explain the salok of Jap ji Sahib.

ਸਲੋਕੁ ॥
Shalok:

ਪਵਣੁ ਗੁਰੂ ਪਾਣੀ ਪਿਤਾ ਮਾਤਾ ਧਰਤਿ ਮਹਤੁ ॥
Air is the Guru, Water is the Father, and Earth is the Great Mother of all.
ਪ੍ਰਾਣ (ਸਰੀਰਾਂ ਲਈ ਇਉਂ ਹਨ ਜਿਵੇਂ) ਗੁਰੂ (ਜੀਵਾਂ ਦੇ ਆਤਮਾ ਲਈ) ਹੈ, ਪਾਣੀ (ਸਭ ਜੀਵਾਂ ਦਾ) ਪਿਉ ਹੈ ਅਤੇ ਧਰਤੀ (ਸਭ ਦੀ) ਵੱਡੀ ਮਾਂ ਹੈ। 

ਦਿਵਸੁ ਰਾਤਿ ਦੁਇ ਦਾਈ ਦਾਇਆ ਖੇਲੈ ਸਗਲ ਜਗਤੁ ॥
Day and night are the two nurses, in whose lap all the world is at play.
ਦਿਨ ਅਤੇ ਰਾਤ ਦੋਵੇਂ ਖਿਡਾਵਾ ਤੇ ਖਿਡਾਵੀ ਹਨ, ਸਾਰਾ ਸੰਸਾਰ ਖੇਡ ਰਿਹਾ ਹੈ, 

ਚੰਗਿਆਈਆ ਬੁਰਿਆਈਆ ਵਾਚੈ ਧਰਮੁ ਹਦੂਰਿ ॥
Good deeds and bad deeds-the record is read out in the Presence of the Lord of Dharma.
ਧਰਮਰਾਜ ਅਕਾਲ ਪੁਰਖ ਦੀ ਹਜ਼ੂਰੀ ਵਿਚ (ਜੀਵਾਂ ਦੇ ਕੀਤੇ ਹੋਏ) ਚੰਗੇ ਤੇ ਮੰਦੇ ਕੰਮ ਵਿਚਾਰਦਾ ਹੈ। 

ਕਰਮੀ ਆਪੋ ਆਪਣੀ ਕੇ ਨੇੜੈ ਕੇ ਦੂਰਿ ॥
According to their own actions, some are drawn closer, and some are driven farther away.
 ਆਪੋ ਆਪਣੇ (ਇਹਨਾਂ ਕੀਤੇ ਹੋਏ) ਕਰਮਾਂ ਦੇ ਅਨੁਸਾਰ ਕਈ ਜੀਵ ਅਕਾਲ ਪੁਰਖ ਦੇ ਨੇੜੇ ਹੋ ਜਾਂਦੇ ਹਨ ਅਤੇ ਅਕਾਲ ਪੁਰਖ ਤੋਂ ਦੂਰਿ ਹੋ ਜਾਂਦੇ ਹਨ।

ਜਿਨੀ ਨਾਮੁ ਧਿਆਇਆ ਗਏ ਮਸਕਤਿ ਘਾਲਿ ॥
Those who have meditated on the Naam, the Name of the Lord, and departed after having worked by the sweat of their brows
ਜਿਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਮਨੁੱਖਾਂ ਨੇ ਅਕਾਲ ਪੁਰਖ ਦਾ ਨਾਮ ਸਿਮਰਿਆ ਹੈ, ਉਹ ਆਪਣੀ ਮਿਹਨਤ ਸਫਲੀ ਕਰ ਗਏ ਹਨ,

ਨਾਨਕ ਤੇ ਮੁਖ ਉਜਲੇ ਕੇਤੀ ਛੁਟੀ ਨਾਲਿ ॥੧॥
-O Nanak, their faces are radiant in the Court of the Lord, and many are saved along with them! ||1||
ਹੇ ਨਾਨਕ ! ਉਹ ਉੱਜਲ ਮੁਖ ਵਾਲੇ ਹਨ ਅਤੇ (ਹੋਰ ਭੀ) ਕਈ ਜੀਵ ਉਹਨਾਂ ਦੀ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਵਿਚ (ਰਹਿ ਕੇ) (“ਕੂੜ ਦੀ ਪਾਲਿ” ਢਾਹ ਕੇ ਮਾਇਆ ਦੇ ਬੰਧਨਾਂ ਤੋਂ) ਆਜ਼ਾਦ ਹੋ ਗਏ ਹਨ।੧।

The tuk in bold disproves your explanation?