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3 hours ago, Guest guest said:

i suggest you look up the word 'logical'.  i don't think you understand its correct meaning.

Mool Mantar is not a 'logical statement'.  Logical means building up one statement on another.  For example:   

Mool Mantra is not a set of prepositions that lead to some kind of inference.  And the last line of Mool Mantra is 'Gur Prasadi'!

I am not saying Gurbani is 'illogical'.  

Your last statement is really beautiful, but you are the one who claimed logic.  Now you are saying it transcends logic.  So you are just changing your position in order to justify your own views.

 

In one post you have managed to say Mool mantar is not a logical statement whilst at the same time say gurbani is not illogical.. 

Simple question.. 

Is Mool mantar illogical? 

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On 2/18/2019 at 11:00 PM, Guest Manas ki Jaath Sab1k said:

The Sikh Panth will only advance and prosper when we do just that and obliterate the notion of caste from Sikh minds and ensuring that every pind in Punjab only has one united Gurdwara and the same for every town in the West.

United we can stand again but divided we will continue to fall (if we continue maintaining separate Gurdwara's and matrimonial circles and spousal choices).

Anyone coming to Sikhi whether from another religion or race or country brings a lot of baggage.   And they don't want to let go of that baggage.   Just look at 3ho white Sikhs.  They have made a mockery of Gurbani.  They get together on certain dates and dance while Gurbani is being played.  The organizers step up the platform for this disrespect to continue every year.  They encourage their white culture as the bread and butter of Sikhi.  Culture of Sikhi is tied in with punjab.  Yet these other people who claim to be Sikh want to change sikhi culture because then they can have relationships outside of marriage with the opposite sex.  They can go to their beach days in a bikini and see nothing wrong with it.  Because they will say, the Guru never says you cant expose yourself.  White, western culture will never be compatible with Sikhi.  

 

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19 hours ago, Sukhvirk1976 said:

In one post you have managed to say Mool mantar is not a logical statement whilst at the same time say gurbani is not illogical.. 

Simple question.. 

Is Mool mantar illogical? 

 

the word illogical is not the opposite of logical.

Mool Mantar /Gurbani is neither logical nor illogical.  There isn't some binary necessity to ascribe it (or anything else)  to either category.  

For example- is a famous person's biography logical? no. then is it illogical?  no.   its neither of those.  what about a famous poem.  is it logical? no.  is it illogical? no.  It's not necessary for everything to either be one or the other category.  

by the way, you're one that claimed Gurbani " is logical", then turned around and said "it is beyond logic"

keep nitpicking to detract from the argument. ?

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back on topic, quotes from SGGS (ang 663):

The K'shatriyas have abandoned their religion, and have adopted a foreign (malechh) language. 

The whole world has been reduced to the same social status; the state of righteousness and Dharma has been lost. ||3|| 

They analyze eight chapters of (Panini's) grammar and the Puraanas. They study the Vedas, 
but without the Lord's Name, no one is liberated; so says Nanak, the Lord's slave.

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On 2/22/2019 at 12:24 AM, Guest guest said:

 

the word illogical is not the opposite of logical.

Mool Mantar /Gurbani is neither logical nor illogical.  There isn't some binary necessity to ascribe it (or anything else)  to either category.  

For example- is a famous person's biography logical? no. then is it illogical?  no.   its neither of those.  what about a famous poem.  is it logical? no.  is it illogical? no.  It's not necessary for everything to either be one or the other category.  

by the way, you're one that claimed Gurbani " is logical", then turned around and said "it is beyond logic"

keep nitpicking to detract from the argument. ?

Well. First of all I asked a question. Is Mool mantar illogical? 

You make a very simple mistake however in interpreting and applying rules of grammar and semantics to the word logical and what you view as it's apparent binary opposite... Truth is always logical.. Logical can accept seemingly contradictory concepts.. I.e non-dualism is logical.. Because it is 'Sat'. But if something is illogical it can never be sat because it is not a complete truth.. 

It is interesting that you refer to a poem because nature of poetry is elusive and can be relative and therefore express a truth and be Sat. 

Why do you think bani is in poetic form and set to music..? 

 

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On 2/22/2019 at 12:24 AM, Guest guest said:

 

the word illogical is not the opposite of logical.

Mool Mantar /Gurbani is neither logical nor illogical.  There isn't some binary necessity to ascribe it (or anything else)  to either category.  

For example- is a famous person's biography logical? no. then is it illogical?  no.   its neither of those.  what about a famous poem.  is it logical? no.  is it illogical? no.  It's not necessary for everything to either be one or the other category.  

by the way, you're one that claimed Gurbani " is logical", then turned around and said "it is beyond logic"

keep nitpicking to detract from the argument. ?

Gurbani is perfectly logical.. It may appear to some that it is like some existential poetry expression. Except gurbani is unique because it is not reductive.. It expresses existential, philosophical truths whilst at the same time being absolutely clear in its expression. Any phrase someone could take from bani is true and I have yet to see a example that is not logical 

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13 hours ago, Sukhvirk1976 said:

Well. First of all I asked a question. Is Mool mantar illogical? 

You make a very simple mistake however in interpreting and applying rules of grammar and semantics to the word logical and what you view as it's apparent binary opposite... Truth is always logical.. Logical can accept seemingly contradictory concepts.. I.e non-dualism is logical.. Because it is 'Sat'. But if something is illogical it can never be sat because it is not a complete truth.. 

It is interesting that you refer to a poem because nature of poetry is elusive and can be relative and therefore express a truth and be Sat. 

Why do you think bani is in poetic form and set to music..? 

 

smashed it bro, 100 percent,  correct

sat meaning what tho?

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15 hours ago, Sukhvirk1976 said:

Gurbani is perfectly logical.. It may appear to some that it is like some existential poetry expression. Except gurbani is unique because it is not reductive.. It expresses existential, philosophical truths whilst at the same time being absolutely clear in its expression. Any phrase someone could take from bani is true and I have yet to see a example that is not logical 

Do you never think that you might be missing important aspects of it because of translation issues? 

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