Upar Wala

[Redoptics]

Anybody heard other Sikhs or family members  refer to Weheguru as 'Upar Wala' ? 

[Amit12]

3 hours ago, Redoptics said:

Anybody heard other Sikhs or family members  refer to Weheguru as 'Upar Wala' ? 

Aloooooot.

[jkvlondon]

basically influence of bollywood dumb dialogues , Christians , muslims and the Hindu translations of their terms , nothing to do with sikhi philosophy because we don't think of Waheguru as Mr God

[Redoptics]

1 minute ago, jkvlondon said:

basically influence of bollywood dumb dialogues , Christians , muslims and the Hindu translations of their terms , nothing to do with sikhi philosophy because we don't think of Waheguru as Mr God

So is it just a saying? Or are we starting to miss understand the correct meaning of Waheguru? 

[jkvlondon]

4 minutes ago, Redoptics said:

So is it just a saying? Or are we starting to miss understand the correct meaning of Waheguru? 

not a saying but a severe sign of the dumbing down of sikhi's true concept of Akal Purakh to match the confused masses one...all because 'all religions are the same  and Sikhi says so....yadda yadda yadda'  ...so so thick  yeah because Guru Nanak Gobind singh ji  bowed down to the ideals of female treatment by the other faiths , because their concept of spirituality was predicated on racial/clan/ caste lines, because they introduced a priest class to hoodwink us ...

This is exactly the pearls cast before swine  scenario ...don't have any idea of sikhi but quote memes about our faith

as my Mum would say 'dhur fitte muh!'

[BhForce]

9 minutes ago, Redoptics said:

So is it just a saying? Or are we starting to miss understand the correct meaning of Waheguru? 

No, Gurbani clearly states that the Guru stands uppar (over) us:

ਸਿਰ ਊਪਰਿ ਠਾਢਾ ਗੁਰੁ ਸੂਰਾ ॥

ਨਾਨਕ ਤਾ ਕੇ ਕਾਰਜ ਪੂਰਾ ॥੭॥

The Brave and Powerful Guru stands over his head.

O Nanak, his efforts are fulfilled. ||7||

[jkvlondon]

13 minutes ago, BhForce said:

No, Gurbani clearly states that the Guru stands uppar (over) us:

ਸਿਰ ਊਪਰਿ ਠਾਢਾ ਗੁਰੁ ਸੂਰਾ ॥

ਨਾਨਕ ਤਾ ਕੇ ਕਾਰਜ ਪੂਰਾ ॥੭॥

The Brave and Powerful Guru stands over his head.

O Nanak, his efforts are fulfilled. ||7||

most of Gurbani states Guru is ang sang , all around and through us , Sahib is not seperate from Us unlike the concept that the other faiths have of a particular realm in a physical location ABOVE us , so you are misusing the pangti which actually means the protection of Akal Purakh is upon the Gurmukh , as the Sir/head is the uppermost point on the person it is considered the most respected part of a person culturally also giving the status of Akal Purakh as being higher most in that person's conscience

[BhForce]

8 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

most of Gurbani states Guru is ang sang , all around and through us , Sahib is not seperate from Us unlike the concept that the other faiths have of a particular realm in a physical location ABOVE us , so you are misusing the pangti which actually means the protection of Akal Purakh is upon the Gurmukh , as the Sir/head is the uppermost point on the person it is considered the most respected part of a person culturally also giving the status of Akal Purakh as being higher most in that person's conscience

Respectfully, I do not believe I am missing the point of the pangti.

The line clearly states that Guru ji stands over (uppar) us.

What is the problem if someone calls God uppar-vala?

The fact that "most" of Gurbani states that Guru is ang-sang does not negate this particular metaphor. In fact your statement admits that "some" of Gurbani uses some other metaphor.

Sikhs can call God or Guru ji uppar-vala (borrowing a metaphor from Gurbani).

Or they can call him "sabh ton vadda" (greates of all).

Or parbat (mountain).

Or malik (lord).

And so on.

[jkvlondon]

1 minute ago, BhForce said:

Respectfully, I do not believe I am missing the point of the pangti.

The line clearly states that Guru ji stands over (uppar) us.

What is the problem if someone calls God uppar-vala?

The fact that "most" of Gurbani states that Guru is ang-sang does not negate this particular metaphor. In fact your statement admits that "some" of Gurbani uses some other metaphor.

Sikhs can call God or Guru ji uppar-vala (borrowing a metaphor from Gurbani).

Or they can call him "sabh ton vadda" (greates of all).

Or parbat (mountain).

Or malik (lord).

And so on.

most of the time growing up Sikhs used Baba ji, Guru ji, Akal Purakh, Sahib, Parbraham , Param atma  was most popular  it's only in the last decade that people have switched to mainly using uparwala which is exactly the way media describes God... which is NOT exactly what we have been taught as far as our concept stands it is larger ,more all encompassing, deeper, multidimensional and non-judmental and non-humanising - it accepts Paramatma as an entity of mindblowing scope ..most of which is NOT the same as the abrahamic model or the Hinduism model being pushed nowadays.

[BhForce]

9 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

most of the time growing up Sikhs used Baba ji, Guru ji, Akal Purakh, Sahib, Parbraham , Param atma  was most popular  it's only in the last decade that people have switched to mainly using uparwala which is exactly the way media describes God... which is NOT exactly what we have been taught as far as our concept stands it is larger ,more all encompassing, deeper, multidimensional and non-judmental and non-humanising - it accepts Paramatma as an entity of mindblowing scope ..most of which is NOT the same as the abrahamic model or the Hinduism model being pushed nowadays.

The words a certain person (you?) may have grown up with may be the same or different than the words used in Gurbani.

There is nothing wrong in using Gurbani-approved metaphors or words, including Allah, Khuda, Gusain, Swami, Takhur, Parvadgaar, Beethal, mountain, and even the dreaded uppar-vala.

The word "uppar-vala" literally means "the one who is above" which is what the line from Gurbani I quoted references. The Guru is above us.