If I don’t jap Naam but just sit still after paath does it still count as meditation

[1Anonymous1]

After amritvela baniyan I like to just straight my back, close my eyes and just focus on my breathing. It’s no calming and peaceful. However if I don’t jap ‘vaheguru’ will it not count as meditation if so is it pointless to do it?

[BhForce]

52 minutes ago, 1Anonymous1 said:

After amritvela baniyan I like to just straight my back, close my eyes and just focus on my breathing. It’s no calming and peaceful. However if I don’t jap ‘vaheguru’ will it not count as meditation if so is it pointless to do it?

What you are doing is physically relaxing. That's good for your physical health, but it doesn't do you any spiritual good.

Gurbani says to remember God via the Word, not mere meditation (without the Shabad):

ਗੁਰ ਕੈ ਸਬਦਿ ਅਰਾਧੀਐ ਨਾਮਿ ਰੰਗਿ ਬੈਰਾਗੁ ॥

Through the Word of the Guru's Shabad, I worship and adore the Naam, with love and balanced detachment. p1425

ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਬਿੰਦੈ ਤਿਸ ਦਾ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਤੁ ਰਹੈ ਏਕ ਸਬਦਿ ਲਿਵ ਲਾਇ ॥

The person who focuses his attention through the one Shabad who recognizes God preserves his Brahminism. p649

 

 

[harsharan000]

 

If I don’t jap Naam but just sit still after paath does it still count as meditation?

To this question of the OP, let us see  what Sree Guru Nanak Dev Maharaj  reply does HE give below:

 

ਨਾਮੁ ਦੁਰਾਇ ਚਲੈ ਸੋ ਚੋਰੁ ॥੩॥

Naam Dhuraae Chalai So Chor ||3||

Those who do not let the Naam become manifest within themselves, depart like thieves in the end. ||3||

 

ਪਤਿ ਖੋਈ ਬਿਖੁ ਅੰਚਲਿ ਪਾਇ ॥

Path Khoee Bikh Anchal Paae ||

The mortal loses his honor, gathering sin and corruption.

 

ਸਾਚ ਨਾਮਿ ਰਤੋ ਪਤਿ ਸਿਉ ਘਰਿ ਜਾਇ ॥

Saach Naam Ratho Path Sio Ghar Jaae ||

But imbued with the Lord's Name, you shall go to your true home with honor.

 

In these 3 verses above  Guru Jee is telling us, that if we do not do Nam japna, we can never ever make it manifest within us, and if we do not make any attempt to make it manifest, we have done nothing, moreover when we leave this plane, we shall be treated like a thief  by the yamdoots, for we did not gahtehr the real wealth, yet we filled ourselves with useless karmas; so we shall definetely not go to Him.

For going back to Him and becoming one with Him, we have imbue with His name, we have to dye ourselves with His Name.

Guru  Sahibans instructions for returing back to Him, are / should be Hukum for us, without looking here or there with our manmat attitude.

Stay blessed.

Sat Sree Akal.

[RajKaregaKhalsa1]

On 2/15/2019 at 5:37 AM, 1Anonymous1 said:

After amritvela baniyan I like to just straight my back, close my eyes and just focus on my breathing. It’s no calming and peaceful. However if I don’t jap ‘vaheguru’ will it not count as meditation if so is it pointless to do it?

Gurbani is naam, 

Vaho Vaho Bani Nirankar Hai

Bani Guru Guru Hai Bani Vich Bani Amrit Sare

Bani is still Naam and will help you to swim across but we should also do Simran as well.

 

[BhForce]

29 minutes ago, RajKaregaKhalsa1 said:

Bani is still Naam and will help you to swim across but we should also do Simran as well.

That's not what he asked. He asked if just sitting there listening to your breath counts as "meditation". 

[RajKaregaKhalsa1]

18 minutes ago, BhForce said:

That's not what he asked. He asked if just sitting there listening to your breath counts as "meditation". 

Sorry lol, I thought he was talking about Gurbani being Naam.

[Not2Cool2Argue]

On 2/14/2019 at 9:37 PM, 1Anonymous1 said:

After amritvela baniyan I like to just straight my back, close my eyes and just focus on my breathing. It’s no calming and peaceful. However if I don’t jap ‘vaheguru’ will it not count as meditation if so is it pointless to do it?

What you are doing is not meditation but mindfulness. I learnt the difference from Ziva meditation founder Emily Fletcher. She went and studied in india. And she claims that there r 2 types of meditations. Those for monks and householders. For monks, its mindfulness, where u try to quiet ur mind and silence ur thoughts by focusing. Either on breath or other things. The underlying belief is that once ur mind is silent, bliss will come. But it takes time.

The second meditation, is where u dont try to quiet ur mind. The job of mind is to think like hearts is to pump. So instead u make the mind think of something. And use a primordial sound like mantar. And this is faster than mindfulness to get bliss and easier. This is the simran in sikhi. With the mantar waheguru.

U should check her out. She explains how mefitation is better than mindfulness.

Its sad tho that we others r learning from our heritage though we r not.

 

[RajKaregaKhalsa1]

4 hours ago, Not2Cool2Argue said:

And this is faster than mindfulness to get bliss and easier. This is the simran in sikhi. With the mantar waheguru.

Waheguru and Sikhi gives more Anand than any other meditation or mindfulness.

[puzzled]

I think that's what Buddhists do   just meditate on nothing or stillness, sikhs meditate on waheguru naam. 

[Akalifauj]

11 hours ago, Not2Cool2Argue said:

What you are doing is not meditation but mindfulness. I learnt the difference from Ziva meditation founder Emily Fletcher. She went and studied in india. And she claims that there r 2 types of meditations. Those for monks and householders. For monks, its mindfulness, where u try to quiet ur mind and silence ur thoughts by focusing. Either on breath or other things. The underlying belief is that once ur mind is silent, bliss will come. But it takes time.

The second meditation, is where u dont try to quiet ur mind. The job of mind is to think like hearts is to pump. So instead u make the mind think of something. And use a primordial sound like mantar. And this is faster than mindfulness to get bliss and easier. This is the simran in sikhi. With the mantar waheguru.

U should check her out. She explains how mefitation is better than mindfulness.

Its sad tho that we others r learning from our heritage though we r not.

 

It's sad that you have been on this Sikh forum for 8 years and you were unable to learn what simran in sikhi is even after it has been explained multiple times.  You can lead a horse to the water but you can't force it to drink.

Ziva says it's okay to drink alcohol.   Gurbani says it's not okay.    Sikhi starts with Ik Onkar.   Ziva starts with maya.  Ziva is a really watered down version of the 3 gunas that Gurbani says is not meditation.   

Mantra in Gurbani is about remembering Vaheguru and not about making sounds.  Animals make primordial sounds and they don't meditate.  

Gurbani teaches actual meditation for free.  Ziva charges $400 to teach a person how to breath.