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2 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

UK Sikhs are the most established diaspora community. Overall we are probably more balanced in our thinking.

The diaspora in other countries are more fresh off the boat and they think more in extremes. It will take them a few decades to catch up.

I think it's a little more than the above. I believe the broader national mentality and characteristics of the host country has a part to play. Whether we're consciously aware of it not, there's a certain influence on thought and behaviour that originates from the culture that we've been exposed to from birth. 

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9 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

I think it's a little more than the above. I believe the broader national mentality and characteristics of the host country has a part to play. Whether we're consciously aware of it not, there's a certain influence on thought and behaviour that originates from the culture that we've been exposed to from birth. 

That definitely plays a part.

The longer the community are in a country it is natural that one will pick up the host country's characteristics. 

I don't know how the Canadian Sikh diaspora will develop. They are stuck in 1984. 

The Australian /NZ is more recent. They are post millenials from Punjab. They are a different breed.

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12 hours ago, Akalifauj said:

Other than his appearance did you have a problem with what he said?

Hes speaking about social issues happening currently in the Sikh Community in western countries. Maybe if he had Gursikhs like Sant Jarnail Singh ji Khalsa Bhindranwale around him.  he would become a Sikh by keeping hair uncut.  I dont think hes against the Sikhi saroop like the poster @dallysingh101.  Dallysingh101 takes any opportunity to slander the Sikh saroop.  So in this sense this poster is a sheep but talking large on forum for 3 decades but has not done anything.  

I'm not against Sikhi saroop at all. I am against people wearing it, acting all sanctimonious but then who conveniently jettison all instructions to be physically ready to protect your community like proper cowards. I'd say that the odds are that you you're one of these yourself?  

Now I understand if someone has medical conditions and whatnot that prevent them. But most don't fall in this category. It's just plain laziness and cowardice.

A khota hiding underneath a tiger's skin (as our Guru so aptly demonstrated). 

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2 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

I think it's a little more than the above. I believe the broader national mentality and characteristics of the host country has a part to play. Whether we're consciously aware of it not, there's a certain influence on thought and behaviour that originates from the culture that we've been exposed to from birth. 

I think for the intelligent amongst us, it's deeper than that - it's not exactly the influence of the broader national mentality, but actually a comprehension of this, and how it has affected Sikhs historically (in the run up to and after the dubious 'annexation') and with the politics that has been played with us in contemporary times. Understanding the policies enacted after the annexation (i.e. demilitarisation leading to Sikhs adopting symbolic rather than functional weapons, a change to indigenous cultural/educational practices, racialised/polarising identity/language politics); partition; the surreptitious support in 84 which only became apparent decades afterwards; the determined and persistent obfuscation of the grooming issue by the police and governmental agencies. 

People who are becoming aware of these things on a holistic level are seeing things in a new light. Or more accurately, they are actually seeing things for what they are/were outside of the motivated narratives that have traditionally been wrapped around these issues, which presume we are a slow witted people. 

 

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1 hour ago, dallysingh101 said:

I think for the intelligent amongst us, it's deeper than that - it's not exactly the influence of the broader national mentality, but actually a comprehension of this, and how it has affected Sikhs historically (in the run up to and after the dubious 'annexation') and with the politics that has been played with us in contemporary times. Understanding the policies enacted after the annexation (i.e. demilitarisation leading to Sikhs adopting symbolic rather than functional weapons, a change to indigenous cultural/educational practices, racialised/polarising identity/language politics); partition; the surreptitious support in 84 which only became apparent decades afterwards; the determined and persistent obfuscation of the grooming issue by the police and governmental agencies. 

People who are becoming aware of these things on a holistic level are seeing things in a new light. Or more accurately, they are actually seeing things for what they are/were outside of the motivated narratives that have traditionally been wrapped around these issues, which presume we are a slow witted people. 

 

I was looking at the issue from a different angle, in terms of how the broad British mentality affects us -- children of immigrants -- and how that differs to the North American or the Australasian mentality in as much as how those Sikhs residing in those countries differ to us in personality and thought, even though ultimately our root culture and language is generally the same.

In all instances and geographical locations I think most people like us do assume the positive and some of the negative traits of our host society, the severity and extent dependent on the individual concerned. The point Ranjit was making regarding how Sikhs born and raised in Britain differ in temperament, thought, and approach compared to Sikhs who are born and raised in Canada, NZ, etc., is one that should not be underestimated. There IS a certain mental and cultural "rub-off" that occurs. Of course, we can go on from that point and begin to deconstruct and contextualise issues according to various historical and social constructs such as post-colonial legacies, etc.

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33 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

I was looking at the issue from a different angle, in terms of how the broad British mentality affects us -- children of immigrants -- and how that differs to the North American or the Australasian mentality in as much as how those Sikhs residing in those countries differ to us in personality and thought, even though ultimately our root culture and language is generally the same.

In all instances and geographical locations I think most people like us do assume the positive and some of the negative traits of our host society, the severity and extent dependent on the individual concerned. The point Ranjit was making regarding how Sikhs born and raised in Britain differ in temperament, thought, and approach compared to Sikhs who are born and raised in Canada, NZ, etc., is one that should not be underestimated. There IS a certain mental and cultural "rub-off" that occurs. Of course, we can go on from that point and begin to deconstruct and contextualise issues according to various historical and social constructs such as post-colonial legacies, etc.

I get what you're saying. We could go even further and say within Britain itself regional differences play a part in this rub off. For example, for many who've grown up here, I'd say that indigenous E. London attitude of having a healthy suspicion of authority can rub off, which then gets compounded by actual experiences with these structures - usually low-key racist ones.

Then you can go up the road and see something totally different. 

To me it's a simple matter of some people being 'clued up' about reality and some being in a bubble. 

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3 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

I was looking at the issue from a different angle, in terms of how the broad British mentality affects us -- children of immigrants -- and how that differs to the North American or the Australasian mentality in as much as how those Sikhs residing in those countries differ to us in personality and thought, even though ultimately our root culture and language is generally the same.

In all instances and geographical locations I think most people like us do assume the positive and some of the negative traits of our host society, the severity and extent dependent on the individual concerned. The point Ranjit was making regarding how Sikhs born and raised in Britain differ in temperament, thought, and approach compared to Sikhs who are born and raised in Canada, NZ, etc., is one that should not be underestimated. There IS a certain mental and cultural "rub-off" that occurs. Of course, we can go on from that point and begin to deconstruct and contextualise issues according to various historical and social constructs such as post-colonial legacies, etc.

I think that we in the UK are in a position where we want to give back. That is combination for the time we have been here and partly British culture.

Which is why we are seeing the likes of Khalsa Aid,.SOPW, SWAT and various other organisations come to fruition.

You see more internationally developed endeavour with these orgs as British inclination has been more looking outwardly whereas Sikhs in other countries are probably more insular. 

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1 hour ago, Ranjeet01 said:

I think that we in the UK are in a position where we want to give back. That is combination for the time we have been here and partly British culture.

Which is why we are seeing the likes of Khalsa Aid,.SOPW, SWAT and various other organisations come to fruition.

You see more internationally developed endeavour with these orgs as British inclination has been more looking outwardly whereas Sikhs in other countries are probably more insular. 

This might be where we are going wrong. It's analogous to pendus fighting abroad in foreign wars, oblivious to ground level shifts going on at home until it was too late - which was apnays situation at partition. I don't think Brits abroad doing charity is ever what it claims to be anyway. Everyone knows these big 'charity' organisations have a horde of middle class 'board managers' who take the lion's share of contribution as wages. 

What's the point of trying to be global heroes when we have serious issues under our own noses? 

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36 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

This might be where we are going wrong. It's analogous to pendus fighting abroad in foreign wars, oblivious to ground level shifts going on at home until it was too late - which was apnays situation at partition. I don't think Brits abroad doing charity is ever what it claims to be anyway. Everyone knows these big 'charity' organisations have a horde of middle class 'board managers' who take the lion's share of contribution as wages. 

What's the point of trying to be global heroes when we have serious issues under our own noses? 

You are better off asking those charity founders.

Some charities such as Khalsa Aid want to help humanity and ignore their own quam (there has already been a thread regarding this)

Then you have the likes of SWAT (I think ) who help the homeless (at least in the UK, you could say technically local Sikhs are doing something in their locality )

However there are Sikhs who feel they need to help other Sikhs, like SOPW. 

Not every Sikh charity is the same.

There is a concept of Seva in our people and it can manifest in many ways.

UK Sikhs (at least a proportion) feel that they are settled enough now that they want to give back.

Some Sikhs feel that helping their own quam is a waste of time because there is a perception is a lack of appreciation from our people and they think that are going to get ripped off more, therefore they prefer to help other communities. 

Some of our people are just greedy and are apathetic. 

 

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