CAN GURU MAKE US DO SOMETHING THAT WE DIDNT INTENDED TO ?

[MisterrSingh]

There's a book written by Giani Sant Singh Maskeen that analyses this very issue. It's called Karam Philosophy. It's been officially translated into English, but the translation (by somebody else) is shoddy to say the least, although if you're determined to get to the bottom of these issues the language issue does improve, or at least the reader gets accustomed to the dodgy translation.

I warn you: Giani doesn't mince his words. Everything he highlights he backs up with Gurbani, and some of it is quite upsetting for those of you expecting a basic answer of "I can change my karams and tip the balance of accumulated deeds in my favour by throwing myself into meditation." Whilst Giani Ji says Naam Japna is essential and helpful for any human being, he also states that divine justice is something that cannot be avoided, skipped, or erased. Basically, the piper must be paid because Akal Purakh is the epitomy of justice. Man cannot escape the consequences of his actions. Of course, he goes on to say that the DURATION of one's trials and tribulations is affected by honest religiosity including Naam japna, honest living, etc. There's also issues such as Gur Prasad (grace of God / the Guru).

[Amit12]

11 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

There's a book written by Giani Sant Singh Maskeen that analyses this very issue. It's called Karam Philosophy. It's been officially translated into English, but the translation (by somebody else) is shoddy to say the least, although if you're determined to get to the bottom of these issues the language issue does improve, or at least the reader gets accustomed to the dodgy translation.

I warn you: Giani doesn't mince his words. Everything he highlights he backs up with Gurbani, and some of it is quite upsetting for those of you expecting a basic answer of "I can change my karams and tip the balance of accumulated deeds in my favour by throwing myself into meditation." Whilst Giani Ji says Naam Japna is essential and helpful for any human being, he also states that divine justice is something that cannot be avoided, skipped, or erased. Basically, the piper must be paid because Akal Purakh is the epitomy of justice. Man cannot escape the consequences of his actions. Of course, he goes on to say that the DURATION of one's trials and tribulations is affected by honest religiosity including Naam japna, honest living, etc. There's also issues such as Gur Prasad (grace of God / the Guru).

Book name ? Language is no issue i live in amritsar.

[MisterrSingh]

1 hour ago, Amit12 said:

Book name ? Language is no issue i love in amritsar.

Karam Philosophy. I only have the English version. If you can get the Punjabi version I'd recommend it. I'm sure it's a more enjoyable reading experience. 

[S1ngh]

On 2/19/2019 at 1:55 AM, Guest Genocide ISNT Hukum said:

Yes the Pakistani Genocide of Sikhs in 1947 was NOT "Hukum".

And neither was the Congress (Indira) Genocide of Sikhs "Hukum"

Everything in this world goes under the hukam of waheguru jee. 

[Guest Sat]

On 2/18/2019 at 11:47 PM, Amit12 said:

 

So therefore, our actions are our own HUKAM and not GOD's Hukam. right ?
 

We are God and He is Us, you can't apply worldly logic to it. We're One in Truth.

[Guest guest]

On 2/19/2019 at 3:43 PM, MisterrSingh said:

Whilst Giani Ji says Naam Japna is essential and helpful for any human being, he also states that divine justice is something that cannot be avoided, skipped, or erased. Basically, the piper must be paid because Akal Purakh is the epitomy of justice. Man cannot escape the consequences of his actions.

i suggest you read SGGS instead of 'giani ji', because this is not what SGGS says from my understanding.  for example, SGGS talks about ones 'account being ripped up'

Akal Purakh is the epitomy of MERCY.  Example- Ajamil lived a life of sin, and was not even calling out for God, but was calling from his son (named Narayan).  Ajamil did not have his 'duration' in hell reduced, he went straight to heaven.

[Amit12]

12 hours ago, S1ngh said:

Everything in this world goes under the hukam of waheguru jee. 

Prove it.

[S1ngh]

Just now, Amit12 said:

Prove it.

Not in mood to start conversation with someone who is way below at the basic understanding of sikhi. Please don't take this as an offense. The only suggestion I can give you is to research on your own. 

[Amit12]

1 minute ago, S1ngh said:

Not in mood to start conversation with someone who is way below at the basic understanding of sikhi. Please don't take this as an offense. The only suggestion I can give you is to research on your own. 

I have researched alot, but I'm on a cross road...... So...   here to see how you prove it. 

Please

[S1ngh]

6 hours ago, Guest Sat said:

We are God and He is Us, you can't apply worldly logic to it. We're One in Truth.

We are not God. Our mun is the devil that plays trick. We make mistakes because of our mun. Conquer your mind and you conquer the universe.