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23 hours ago, FreshMind13 said:

This calendar is still the Bikrami Calendar. Why are they still publishing it under the Nanakshahi name? They use Panchang Martand and Panchang Divakar for Gurpurab Dates, not Nanakshahi.

It is sad to see an honest attempt by scholars create the Nanakshahi calendar failed due to political interference by people who lack basic knowledge about astronomy.

EDIT: Article is from last year, but my question still applies.

1. You do know that that "Nanakshahi" calendar was not created by Guru Nanak Dev ji, right?

2. Secondly, could you please inform us what calendar Guru Nanak the Shah used?

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32 minutes ago, Akalifauj said:

So then you would know the faults in the purewal calendar.  Can you tell the sangat here what he did wrong?

To be clear, I support the Nanakshahi Calendar by Purewal.

The only "fault" that I can see is that he mentioned  he could have made the calendar accurate to have an error of 1 day in 99,000 years, but that would cause the dates in Nanakshahi to shift compared to Gregorian because it would be too accurate.

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13 minutes ago, BhForce said:

1. You do know that that "Nanakshahi" calendar was not created by Guru Nanak Dev ji, right?

2. Secondly, could you please inform us what calendar Guru Nanak the Shah used?

1. Yes I am aware, Nanakshahi Sammat was first mentioned by Banda Singh Bahadur and then also mentioned by Giani Gian Singh and Bhai Vir Singh. This calendar used Bikrami Calendar calculations.

2. Is that relevant? Guru Sahib used the Bikrami Sammat as in Punjab. As I mentioned, Nanakshahi Sammat was based of Bikrami calculations. Purewal made suggestions to use modern calculations for the calendar. It still keeps the desi months and uses Bikrami Solar dates.

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Just now, FreshMind13 said:

1. Yes I am aware, Nanakshahi Sammat was first mentioned by Banda Singh Bahadur and then also mentioned by Giani Gian Singh and Bhai Vir Singh. This calendar used Bikrami Calendar.

2. Is that relevant? Guru Sahib used the Bikrami Sammat as in Punjab. As I mentioned, Nanakshahi Sammat was based of Bikrami. Purewal made suggestions to use modern calculations for the calendar. It still keeps the desi months and uses Bikrami Solar dates.

OK, bro, I admit you are honest.

Yeah, it is relevant because huge numbers of Purewal calendar supporters (it is not a Nanakshahi calendar) claim that the Bikrami calendar is a Brahmanist calendar. 

You might not be in that category (if you are, say so).

The discussion of the calendar favored by Guru Nanak ji vs the calendar favored by Pal Singh Purewal can only proceed when proponents of the latter admit that 1) the entire Sikh panth has been using the former for the last three centuries and 2) that does not make them Brahminists.

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21 minutes ago, BhForce said:

Yeah, it is relevant because huge numbers of Purewal calendar supporters (it is not a Nanakshahi calendar) claim that the Bikrami calendar is a Brahmanist calendar. 

Yea, these people do more harm then good for the argument for the Nanakshahi calendar. Nanakshahi is based of Bikrami, but it uses different calculations. Saying Bikrami is a Hindu or Brahman calendar would make Nanakshahi the same because it's based off of Bikrami.

The only thing "Brahman" about Bikrami was that you had to go to a Pandit, but now you can do the calculations yourself by reading British translations of their Sanskrit texts (mainly Surya Sidhantta). So that argument doesn't hold up. People who make those arguments are usually missionary types.

I base my argument on the actual math and science behind the calendar. To my surprise, there is much discussion about the Bikrami Calendar in the Hindu world today. Traditional Hindus want to maintain their traditional calculations as mentioned in the Surya Sidhantta Granth, while modern Indians want to use modern calculations called Drik Gannit.

21 minutes ago, BhForce said:

The discussion of the calendar favored by Guru Nanak ji vs the calendar favored by Pal Singh Purewal can only proceed when proponents of the latter admit that 1) the entire Sikh panth has been using the former for the last three centuries and 2) that does not make them Brahminists.

I don't like saying the calendar Guru Sahib followed or favored by Purewal. The calendar is the same, but the calculations are different. Think of it as replacing the engine of a car.

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6 minutes ago, FreshMind13 said:

Yea, these people do more harm against the argument for the Nanakshahi calendar. Nanakshahi is based of Bikrami, but it uses different calculations. Saying Bikrami is a Hindu or Brahman calendar would make Nanakshahi the same because it's based off of Bikrami.

The only thing "Brahman" about Bikrami was that you had to go to a Pandit,

OK, now you have credibility and we can have a discussion. Though I might not have time to fully flesh it out, might follow up as time allows.

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1 hour ago, FreshMind13 said:

To be clear, I support the Nanakshahi Calendar by Purewal.

The only "fault" that I can see is that he mentioned  he could have made the calendar accurate to have an error of 1 day in 99,000 years, but that would cause the dates in Nanakshahi to shift compared to Gregorian because it would be too accurate.

Here listen to a Sikh who has studied in the field.  This learned Sikh in the field says purewal made a huge mistake on starting the first day in the calendar and converting from bikrami.

 

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6 minutes ago, Akalifauj said:

Here listen to a Sikh who has studied in the field.  This learned Sikh in the field says purewal made a huge mistake on starting the first day in the calendar and converting from bikrami.

 

I've read Col. Nishan Singh arguments. He makes the mistake of mixing Nanakshahi, Gregorian, and Julian calendars. Purewal never even touched Gregorian or Julian, he only converted between Bikrami calendar systems.

While I do respect Col. Nishan Singh, he wants us to celebrate Parkash of Guru Gobind Singh Ji on January 1st (the Gregorian Date). This completely rids us of any desi months and dates.

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6 minutes ago, FreshMind13 said:

I've read Col. Nishan Singh arguments. He makes the mistake of mixing Nanakshahi, Gregorian, and Julian calendars. Purewal never even touched Gregorian or Julian, he only converted between Bikrami calendar systems.

While I do respect Col. Nishan Singh, he wants us to celebrate Parkash of Guru Gobind Singh Ji on January 1st (the Gregorian Date). This completely rids us of any desi months and dates.

Listen to the video, now you sound like a purewal extremist.  Purewal fixed Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji prakash to January 5th every year and this doesn't happen in the bikrami calendar.  Had purewal calendar been based on bikrami calendar we would see the prakash celebrated on different  dates as is seen now in the gregorian calendar when we celebrate according to bikrami calendar. 

Purewal based his calendar off of the gregorian calendar.   

Your excuse is comedy,

The only "fault" that I can see is that he mentioned  he could have made the calendar accurate to have an error of 1 day in 99,000 years, but that would cause the dates in Nanakshahi to shift compared to Gregorian because it would be too accurate.

this is where your extremist side came out.  Purewal fault is that his calendar would be too accurate.  What is this a job interview,  my weakness is that I am too smart.  

and now you want to claim a guy who actually studied in the field is wrong.  You are a purewal fanatic trying to pretend to be a one time supporter of bikrami calendar.   

the Gurus used bikrami calendar and if they say a fault in the calendar they would have created another one for the khalsa panth.   purewal like his fanatical supporters cant see the forest for the trees.   

until this purewal guy everyone celebrated gurpurabs on the same date and the date was correct.  There is or was no reason to change to another calendar.

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51 minutes ago, Akalifauj said:

Listen to the video, now you sound like a purewal extremist.  Purewal fixed Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji prakash to January 5th every year and this doesn't happen in the bikrami calendar.

I'm not going to reply to the emotional and personal attacks, keeping it strictly on the technicalities.

Purewal never fixed the date to January 5th. He converted the Lunar Bikrami Date (Poh Sudi 7, 1723 BK) to the Solar Bikrami Date (23 Poh, 1723 BK). Since Nanakshahi has the same months as Bikrami, 23 Poh became Parkash. In Nanakshahi, Poh Sangrand is December 14. If we add 23 Days to December 14 we get January 5th or 23 Poh.

I recommend reading the English version of the Surya Sidhantta for more detail and research papers on Indian astronomy which is a very old subject, India has been doing astronomy for many centuries and they were very accurate at it too until now where we have computers and satellites to track stars and Earth's movement.

51 minutes ago, Akalifauj said:

 Had purewal calendar been based on bikrami calendar we would see the prakash celebrated on different  dates as is seen now in the gregorian calendar when we celebrate according to bikrami calendar.

Celebrating on different dates isn't a feature of the Bikrami calendar, it is the method in which the days are calculated.

51 minutes ago, Akalifauj said:

Purewal based his calendar off of the gregorian calendar.   

Do you have any evidence in support of this claim? Nanakshahi is based of Bikrami, however instead of using the Sidereal Year (Nirayana Year), it uses the Tropical Year (Sayana Year) and the Sangrands are not based off of Sankranti (when the sun enters a sidereal zodiac).

51 minutes ago, Akalifauj said:

this is where your extremist side came out.  Purewal fault is that his calendar would be too accurate.  What is this a job interview,  my weakness is that I am too smart.  

Look up calendars such as the revised Julian calendar or the Iranian Solar Hijri Calendar. These have much better rules to match the tropical year than Gregorian. What is so extremist about this? Do some research in astronomy first.

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