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18 hours ago, Guest jigsaw_puzzled_singh said:

Jesus was a good Jew. Never once did he state he was creating a new religion. His followers were known as the Nazrene sect of Judaism. But....when it came to the expulsion of Jews from Jeruselum his followers said "hey....don't expel us....we;re not Jews....we a totally different separate religion....Expel the Jews instead and let us stay.....we're alright we are". And it is with this selfish self-centered foundation that this new religion came to be born. They kept that selfish self-centred foundation and ran with it.....committing genocide after genocide in the centuries to come and, even to this day, going up to anyone of a different faith and telling them they will burn in the fires of hell where they will be skinned alive for all eternity. Thoroughly lovely people indeed.

But....now that we have one of them on this very forum who, like a bad rash on the backside, refuses to go away despite several goodbyes, lets ask it a question:

Sikhism believe in reincarnation. Christians do not. I say you do not and you say you do not but for some strange reason your messiah Jesus says something totally different. How come then, as people who most definately do not believe in reincarnation....how come your messiah Jesus said John the Baptist was reincarnated from Elijah ?

"For all prophets and the law prophesied until John. And if ye will receive it, this is Elias which was for to come. He that hath ears to hear let him hear."

(Matt. 11:13-14)

But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. 

Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist. 

(Matt. 17:12-13)

 

I think calling me 'it' is rather rude. Not the best way to treat a guest who comes in peace. 

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18 hours ago, Guest jigsaw_puzzled_singh said:

Sikhism believe in reincarnation. Christians do not. I say you do not and you say you do not but for some strange reason your messiah Jesus says something totally different. How come then, as people who most definately do not believe in reincarnation....how come your messiah Jesus said John the Baptist was reincarnated from Elijah ?

ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫ਼ਤਹਿ

I heard that it used to be in Bible but it was taken out. Some Christians accept reincarnation but that's not the main focus. The focus is to get liberation to get to Vaheguru.

ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫ਼ਤਹਿ

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27 minutes ago, RajKaregaKhalsa1 said:

ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫ਼ਤਹਿ

I heard that it used to be in Bible but it was taken out. Some Christians accept reincarnation but that's not the main focus. The focus is to get liberation to get to Vaheguru.

ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫ਼ਤਹਿ

Justinian also introduced more changes to Christian doctrine. He convened the Second Synod of Constantinople in 553 A.D. The Synod was neither attended nor, apparently, sanctioned by the Pope in Rome. At that time, in fact, many of the changes to Christian doctrine in the eastern Roman empire had not yet reached the Papacy, although they eventually would. The Second Synod issued a decree banning the doctrine of "past lifetimes," or "reincarnation," even though the doctrine was an important one to Jesus. The Synod decreed:

If anyone assert the fabulous pre-existence of souls
and shall submit to the monstrous doctrine that follows
from it, let him be anathema [excommunicated].

In deference to that decree, all but very veiled references to "pre-existence" were taken out of the Bible. Belief in preexistence was declared heresy. This suppression was enforced throughout the western Christian world and in its sciences. The idea of personal pre-existence still remains, to a very large degree, a Western religious and scientific heresy.

 

From the Buddhist biography, The Unknown Life of Jesus:

In his fourteenth year, young Issa, the Blessed One,
came this side of the Sindh [a province in Western
Pakistan] and settled among the Aryas [Aryans]. . . .'

But the Brahmins and the Kshatriyas [members of the
priestly & military castes] told him that they were forbidden by
the great Brahma [Hindu god] to come near to
those who were created from his belly and his feet
[the mythical origin of the lower castes];

That the Vaisyas [members of the merchant and
agricultural caste] might only hear the recital of the
Vedas, and this only on the festival days, and
That the Sudras [one of the lower castes] were not
only forbidden to attend the readings of the Vedas,
but even to look on them; for they were condemned
to perpetual servitude, as slaves of the Brahmins, the
Kshatriyas and even the Vaisyas.

But Issa, disregarding their words, remained with
the Sudras, preaching against the Brahmins and
Kshatriyas.

He declaimed strongly against man's arrogating to
himself the authority to deprive his fellow-beings of
their human and spiritual rights. "Verily," he said,
"God has made no difference between his children,
who are all alike dear to Him."

Issa denied the divine inspiration of the Vedas and
the Puranas [a class of sacred writings]...

 

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Couple of centuries back a meeting was held by the church fathers in Rome, iv forgotten what this gathering is called, but it was at this meeting that it was decides what Jesus is, what Christianity is and what a Christian is. The four gospels were chosen here as the gospel canon while many others were rejected. It's at these meeting that is was decided who Jesus is. Many practises were discarded 

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51 minutes ago, puzzled said:

Couple of centuries back a meeting was held by the church fathers in Rome, iv forgotten what this gathering is called, but it was at this meeting that it was decides what Jesus is, what Christianity is and what a Christian is. The four gospels were chosen here as the gospel canon while many others were rejected. It's at these meeting that is was decided who Jesus is. Many practises were discarded 

Yeah apparently the entire Dead Sea scrolls were left out of the bible, the book of Enoch is very intriguing.

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1 hour ago, puzzled said:

Couple of centuries back a meeting was held by the church fathers in Rome, iv forgotten what this gathering is called, but it was at this meeting that it was decides what Jesus is, what Christianity is and what a Christian is. The four gospels were chosen here as the gospel canon while many others were rejected. It's at these meeting that is was decided who Jesus is. Many practises were discarded 

Couple of centuries? Approx 1820? Lol, they started chopping and changing from 500 A.D. onwards. Jesus the personality was co-opted by the Holy Roman Empire for political purposes. His life and his teachings were whitewashed and watered-down for the purposes of establishing dominion over the people of Europe. 

 

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1 hour ago, Redoptics said:

Yeah apparently the entire Dead Sea scrolls were left out of the bible, the book of Enoch is very intriguing.

Have you read the dead sea scrolls ? 

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1 hour ago, MisterrSingh said:

Couple of centuries? Approx 1820? Lol, they started chopping and changing from 500 A.D. onwards. Jesus the personality was co-opted by the Holy Roman Empire for political purposes. His life and his teachings were whitewashed and watered-down for the purposes of establishing dominion over the people of Europe. 

 

Couple of thousand years ago then lol

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The Romans were the ones who created Jesus. That's why Catholicism is a mix of paganism and the Christianity that they created. 

I bet you the real Jesus probably was very spiritual and meditated. 

It's interesting but the Vatican is built on top of anciant roman temples and tombs. They still have pagan roman idols and tombs under there. Interesting how they kept them ...

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1 hour ago, MisterrSingh said:

Couple of centuries? Approx 1820? Lol, they started chopping and changing from 500 A.D. onwards. Jesus the personality was co-opted by the Holy Roman Empire for political purposes. His life and his teachings were whitewashed and watered-down for the purposes of establishing dominion over the people of Europe. 

 

I just checked it  it was called the council of Nicea and it took place in 300 something    

That's where Jesus as we know him today was created, all the gospel that didn't fit their image of Jesus were ditched.  

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The Vatican is a fraud and mother Teresa was fraud as well.  

I was looking at this yesterday but here is a pic of the audience hall at the Vatican.

Resembles a certain reptilian doesn't it?  Can't be a coincidence can it.   Interesting that this creature is equated with satan yet   the structure of this hall at the Vatican resembles it.   Sums up the establishment. 

 

Pope-Hall-2.jpg

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17 minutes ago, puzzled said:

Have you read the dead sea scrolls ? 

The actual scrolls no lol but have read a book of the english translation and there are websites where you can read them.

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1 hour ago, Redoptics said:

The actual scrolls no lol but have read a book of the english translation and there are websites where you can read them.

😂😂  lol yeah I meant like the translations   not the actual scrolls  

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1 hour ago, puzzled said:

I just checked it  it was called the council of Nicea and it took place in 300 something    

That's where Jesus as we know him today was created, all the gospel that didn't fit their image of Jesus were ditched.  

Makes you think: treasure Sikh scriptures and preserve their authenticity. God knows how devils in our community will try to alter or erase sections of Gurbani for various nefarious reasons over the centuries to come. Vigilance is key. 

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2 hours ago, puzzled said:

The Vatican is a fraud and mother Teresa was fraud as well.  

I was looking at this yesterday but here is a pic of the audience hall at the Vatican.

Resembles a certain reptilian doesn't it?  Can't be a coincidence can it.   Interesting that this creature is equated with satan yet   the structure of this hall at the Vatican resembles it.   Sums up the establishment. 

 

Pope-Hall-2.jpg

Vatican in some respects is a continuation of the Roman Empire.

Christianity was just a way to keep the empire together. 

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