Kali on Guru Hargobind sahibs sword

[puzzled]

This kind of stuff was very common in the old days. You can even see old saroops of guru maharaj and old pothi sahibs which have these kind of images. Old gurdware have these images.

Heres a old saroop of guru granth sahib ji commissioned by a sikh called sodhi bhan singh a descendant of the gurus. in those days aristocrat sikhs would get sggs ji commissioned by artists.  Today this obviously would be very controversial. I dont think theres anything wrong with it. It becomes a problem when those pro muslim hinduphobic sikhs start denying this stuff and come up with crazy theories, and when those desh bhakt hindus look at this stuff and start callin us hindus.  I dnt think sikhs know themselves or have an solid answer to why stuff like this existed. 

[puzzled]

When i went to Baba Atal Rai tower/gurdwara near Harmandir Sahib right above the entrance to the Gurdwara there was copper carving depicting the devtas and demons churning the ocean with the snake. 

[S1ngh]

Murals on Baba Atal Rai bunga was not done during guru jees time but it was done during ranjit singh time period. 

[dallysingh101]

On 6/8/2020 at 7:02 PM, Sat1 said:

No she’s known to be a spark force, enjoying the taste of blood etc. Nothing to do with goodness etc. 

Whether this is true or not, if you look at Dasam Granth, there is a consistent use, adaptation and repurposing of Indic mythology. This is throughout, especially in Chatriopakyaan. 

[Sat1]

6 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

Whether this is true or not, if you look at Dasam Granth, there is a consistent use, adaptation and repurposing of Indic mythology. This is throughout, especially in Chatriopakyaan. 

In war, you must be fierce, like a lion, a tiger, a cheetah, an eagle. 
 

Not everyone is fearless enough to embrace war and death with open arms. Many of the gods and goddesses fought without fear. It’s this fearlessness and openness of embracing the fight that we should take from these stories. A real bhagat isn’t afraid of a fight. The gyan is fearlessness and confidence in your ability to win. 

[dallysingh101]

17 minutes ago, Sat1 said:

In war, you must be fierce, like a lion, a tiger, a cheetah, an eagle. 
 

Not everyone is fearless enough to embrace war and death with open arms. Many of the gods and goddesses fought without fear. It’s this fearlessness and openness of embracing the fight that we should take from these stories. A real bhagat isn’t afraid of a fight. The gyan is fearlessness and confidence in your ability to win. 

I think there are also analogous representations and strategies in the Dasam Granth. Even some chariters allude to the battles between devtay and daints. Devtay aren't unknown to be worsted by the daints and seek out a higher power for support in defeating the enemy.   

 

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The gyan is fearlessness and confidence in your ability to win. 

And tactics and strategies. 

[Sat1]

8 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

I think there are also analogous representations and strategies in the Dasam Granth. Even some chariters allude to the battles between devtay and daints. Devtay aren't unknown to be worsted by the daints and seek out a higher power for support in defeating the enemy.   

 

And tactics and strategies. 

The gods and goddesses are real, many have their own seva, different tasks helping the universe run. Their stories teach us of how and how not to be. We learn from others, including humans. 

[dallysingh101]

4 minutes ago, Sat1 said:

The gods and goddesses are real, many have their own seva, different tasks helping the universe run. Their stories teach us of how and how not to be. We learn from others, including humans. 

Well if the original sources of the tales were depictions of reality that we needed to know, why did Guru ji just not straight translate them instead of adapting and changing them and even adding new characters to existing narratives?

[Not2Cool2Argue]

On 6/6/2020 at 7:56 AM, Kulwinder5 said:

This is tega sword ,was used in the battle against Painde Khan , donated by one of gurus followers , may be he was devotee of kali and guru hargobind singh ji at the same time

i dont think so. 

You have to remember that most artists were trained from birth in their families and were part of guilds. 

So they were taught certain symbolism and metaphors. For example even poets when they want to say something is beautiful they compare it to a moon or rose. Power with the sun. War with kali. Wealth with lakshami. It was cultural symbolism. 

Even though the western world became Christian, they did not abandon the age-old symbols of Greek and Roman dieties. They named planets to spaceships to beauty products after artemis, ares, apollo. They use them to describe and inspire themselves. Like she is athenian in wisdom. Instead all the myths became part of higher education in humanities and arts.And most famous poets used these symbols again and again.  Just because people read Classics like Homer and Illiad and the Odyssey, does not mean they believe it or worship it. 

So to be sophisticated was to he educated enough to use these symbols. It was art. It was myths. 

People and especially the sikh misls and sikh infantry units adopted these as symbols like coat of arms. Not to worship them but as metaphors for their qualities like ruthless, brave, strategic.

Also guilds had these symbols. So if u wanted to show that ur sword was made by the best swordmakers or artists, you displayed their signatures proudly. And these signatures were usually dieties that represented those jobs. Like carpenters had the God of woodworking. Poets and scribes had Saraswathi. Also these were ways that the illiterate could find the part of the bazaar related to metals, books etc. 

Like kids these days will divide them up into teams like Spiderman, batman etc. 

[Sat1]

7 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

Well if the original sources of the tales were depictions of reality that we needed to know, why did Guru ji just not straight translate them instead of adapting and changing them and even adding new characters to existing narratives?

How do you know he did that. The Hindu texts are thousands of years old.. do you not think they’ve been twisted and changed over time?

 

The narration of his own previous Janam wasn’t made up, so why would he have made up the rest.