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1 hour ago, puzzled said:

Bro that's the very reason I don't go to sikhs weddings. It winds me up seeing how disrespectful people are.  My friend was telling me he recently went to the wedding and one of the gyanis interrupted and had to ask the ladies to stop talking and cover their heads properly. He was angry and started talking about the lakh of respect and modesty in our community.   He must of been really triggered with what he saw for him to interupt and say all that. 

I went to one particular  Anand Karaj and straight after the lawan, the female half of the Sangat in the darbar hall  clapped for applause and were whooping and hollering.

The gyani gave them a ticking off and had to tell them this is not the correct protocol.

I sometimes think that the Anand Karaj's in India are much better. 

You only invite close family and you just do the lawan,  keep it short and sweet. No ragis,  no speakers. 

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On 5/12/2019 at 9:54 PM, MisterrSingh said:

Nattering and full blown conversation as if people were in the langar hall.

i remember when there used to be a sacred/respectful silence in the langar hall too.  people used to eat with their head down in humility.

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1 hour ago, Ranjeet01 said:

I sometimes think that the Anand Karaj's in India are much better. 

You only invite close family and you just do the lawan,  keep it short and sweet. No ragis,  no speakers. 

No ragis? Who does the kirtan of the lavan, then?

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6 hours ago, BhForce said:

No ragis? Who does the kirtan of the lavan, then?

Being to a few Anand Karaj's in India, it seems that the Kirtan at the Lawan is more of a western phenomenon. 

On average the Lawan time can last about 2 hours, in India it seems to be done and dusted in 20 minutes. 

Just my observations 

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6 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Being to a few Anand Karaj's in India, it seems that the Kirtan at the Lawan is more of a western phenomenon. 

On average the Lawan time can last about 2 hours, in India it seems to be done and dusted in 20 minutes. 

Just my observations 

I appreciate that you state that it's just your observations, similarly these are just mine:

OK, I think what you must be saying is "kirtan" referring to other shabads being sung  beyond the lavan.

But the 4 lavan themselves are supposed to be sung. 

From the Sikh Rehit Maryada: "After the conclusion of the recitation of each of the stanzas, the boy, followed by the girl holding the end of the sash, should go round the Guru Granth Sahib while the ragis or the congregation sing out the recited stanza."

So, the ragis do indeed have to do kirtan of the lavan themselves. 

Singing a whole bunch of additional shabads is optional.

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33 minutes ago, BhForce said:

I appreciate that you state that it's just your observations, similarly these are just mine:

OK, I think what you must be saying is "kirtan" referring to other shabads being sung  beyond the lavan.

But the 4 lavan themselves are supposed to be sung. 

From the Sikh Rehit Maryada: "After the conclusion of the recitation of each of the stanzas, the boy, followed by the girl holding the end of the sash, should go round the Guru Granth Sahib while the ragis or the congregation sing out the recited stanza."

So, the ragis do indeed have to do kirtan of the lavan themselves. 

Singing a whole bunch of additional shabads is optional.

I am talking about the additional shabads after the marriage ceremony has taken place and then some speaker they have afterwards. 

This is when people get fidgety. 

In India I have heard that Lawan are supposed to be done before sunrise. 

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36 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

I am talking about the additional shabads after the marriage ceremony has taken place and then some speaker they have afterwards. 

Got it.

Generally, I have seen the weddings of non-religious or "moderate" Sikhs are short in India. Religious Sikhs have longer Anand Karaj's where they have a longer kirtan and dhadis/speakers/etc.

37 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

In India I have heard that Lawan are supposed to be done before sunrise. 

Before sunrise? Generally I have seen a desire to do lavan before 12 noon in both India and the West. But not before sunrise.

Before sunrise would be for really hardcore Sikhs (non-religious Sikhs don't get up early anyways).

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20 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

I went to one particular  Anand Karaj and straight after the lawan, the female half of the Sangat in the darbar hall  clapped for applause and were whooping and hollering.

The gyani gave them a ticking off and had to tell them this is not the correct protocol.

I sometimes think that the Anand Karaj's in India are much better. 

You only invite close family and you just do the lawan,  keep it short and sweet. No ragis,  no speakers. 

That's really bad. People like that should not be allowed to have anand karaj.

I remember seeing the below vid years ago. And the groom actually stands up for the woman when she's walking in. What can be bigger disrespect to guru sahib in his darbar. How can people do that.  Standing up for a mere mortal in front of guru ji.    I think for people like that it's just a book  ?    look at from 16:30 

 

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12 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Being to a few Anand Karaj's in India, it seems that the Kirtan at the Lawan is more of a western phenomenon. 

On average the Lawan time can last about 2 hours, in India it seems to be done and dusted in 20 minutes. 

Just my observations 

In India , most people stay in the shaadi 'palace' eating, drinking, partying up whilst the people who actually came to see the Anand Karaj could be counted on two hands , my bro got married there and it was only the amritdhari sikhs and bazurg who bothered . The ragis looked shocked that we wanted a longer kirtan session and sikhiya to the couple. Mind you nobody returns fateh there, sings along with Kirtan anywhere.Godless due to hand of Guru ji's protection being withdrawn due to their mentally ill rejection of sikhi

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54 minutes ago, puzzled said:

That's really bad. People like that should not be allowed to have anand karaj.

I remember seeing the below vid years ago. And the groom actually stands up for the woman when she's walking in. What can be bigger disrespect to guru sahib in his darbar. How can people do that.  Standing up for a mere mortal in front of guru ji.    I think for people like that it's just a book  ?    look at from 16:30 

 

The problem is that a lot of western wedding norms are getting mixed up with our traditions.

These "kids" think because that Church weddings have everyone standing when the bride comes in that we do the same, or when there is applause we should do the same.

It is just ignorance. Sometimes it is pure common sense but these kids need it spelt out what is correct and what is not.

If there is one western practice we could adopt is a semblance of the rehearsal like a rehearsal lawan. Then you could go through stuff with the couple and tell them what to expect and the correct protocol is.

The video here shown is either from US or Canada.

Canada in particular is far more extreme than the UK in that either Sikhs are very religious or extremely westernised or what they call "whitewashed ".

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