Transitioning from transliteration to reading Gurmukhi

[jkvlondon]

8 minutes ago, BhForce said:

Perhaps. 

Sure. Although Gurbani affirms in multiple places the concept of "Sahib mera eko ha eko hai bhai eko hai", I don't think that we need to justify fitting our religion into the box of "monotheism" created by some theology professor.

Sikhism is what Guru Sahib created it as. Attempting to fit it into some Western framework would lead to lopping off some corners to wedge it in.

Agreed. Some of our people would start sweating if someone were to tell them that Sikhism is not a monotheistic religion. (Whether it is or isn't is not the point. The point is that we are so wedded to pleasing the dominant forces in Western society.)

What about those backhome sweating it because we don't fit hindu mat? Self-sovreignity has no place for ghulami soch, sikhi is its own world

 

[BhForce]

Just now, jkvlondon said:

What about those backhome sweating it because we don't fit hindu mat? Self-sovreignity has no place for ghulami soch, sikhi is its own world

 

Definitely. That's the idea behind "tisar mazhab"

"Ih teesar mazahab Khalsa upjio pardhana"

This (Khalsa) is the 3rd religion, produced as presiding.

Guru Sahib did not set up Sikhism as a imitation of Hinduism or Islam, rather as a unique thing on its own.

[BhForce]

On 6/28/2019 at 3:40 AM, dallysingh101 said:

Language alone is embedded with lots of subtle nuances that get lost when we translate. Plus what outsiders seem to do is frame 'debates' in a way that is to their distinct advantage, and try and put the onus on us  to prove this and that (like Trumpp for example).

Yes.

One approach might be to use our terminology. I.e., someone asks you if your religion is "monotheistic". 

Tell him we believe in the philosophy of Ik Ongkar. Then ask him if he believes in Ik Ongkar. Put him on the back foot. Make him defend the notion that God just sits alone and this entire Creation is without any divine spark.

[jkvlondon]

10 minutes ago, BhForce said:

Definitely. That's the idea behind "tisar mazhab"

"Ih teesar mazahab Khalsa upjio pardhana"

This (Khalsa) is the 3rd religion, produced as presiding.

Guru Sahib did not set up Sikhism as a imitation of Hinduism or Islam, rather as a unique thing on its own.

The only way to get out of ghulami soch is living on our terms:

not working for others who are anti-gurmat and to never sacrifice our values for a buck/pound

Reintroducing our people to the deeds of our greatest warriors  and the words and teachings of our sants

Investing our daswand in direct action for our poorer bretheren e.g. Farmer widows, sikhligars, maazhabi sikhs including those in distant places like bihar, shillong, rajasthan

Teaching and funding sikh gyms and martial arts training for all kids and women as a priority after seeing this its necessary:

http://www.punjabspectrum.com/?p=12271&fbclid=IwAR3gmJZJvKC_MPkINfpReephiSlQxtRrdmM-tTL_dtMfmUshWvGcNzitwds

Highlighting the lifestyle and thinking that the gurus gave us

 

[Redoptics]

Give science more time and more 'isms' will be introduced,  I was just merely using language used today.

It was the closest to 'Sikhi'

[dallysingh101]

5 hours ago, Redoptics said:

Give science more time and more 'isms' will be introduced,  I was just merely using language used today.

It was the closest to 'Sikhi'

I wasn't knocking you mate. Just expressing conclusions I've come too after years. 

[Redoptics]

On 7/1/2019 at 11:19 PM, dallysingh101 said:

I wasn't knocking you mate. Just expressing conclusions I've come too after years. 

All good buddy

[RajKaregaKhalsa1]

On 7/1/2019 at 11:28 AM, jkvlondon said:

The only way to get out of ghulami soch is living on our terms:

not working for others who are anti-gurmat and to never sacrifice our values for a buck/pound

Reintroducing our people to the deeds of our greatest warriors  and the words and teachings of our sants

Investing our daswand in direct action for our poorer bretheren e.g. Farmer widows, sikhligars, maazhabi sikhs including those in distant places like bihar, shillong, rajasthan

Teaching and funding sikh gyms and martial arts training for all kids and women as a priority after seeing this its necessary:

http://www.punjabspectrum.com/?p=12271&fbclid=IwAR3gmJZJvKC_MPkINfpReephiSlQxtRrdmM-tTL_dtMfmUshWvGcNzitwds

Highlighting the lifestyle and thinking that the gurus gave us

 

।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖ਼ਾਲਸਾ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫ਼ਤਹਿ।

Totally agree,

We need the Panj Pyare system back in place and to establish a Khalsa Bank where the Dasvandh can go to. Things will fall into place with Maharaaj's Kirpa.

।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖ਼ਾਲਸਾ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫ਼ਤਹਿ।

[Redoptics]

3 minutes ago, RajKaregaKhalsa1 said:

।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖ਼ਾਲਸਾ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫ਼ਤਹਿ।

Totally agree,

We need the Panj Pyare system back in place and to establish a Khalsa Bank where the Dasvandh can go to. Things will fall into place with Maharaaj's Kirpa.

।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖ਼ਾਲਸਾ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫ਼ਤਹਿ।

Most likely we don't have enough Sikhs on the level of the Panj Pyare living today.