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1 hour ago, Redoptics said:

Good thing is Guru Granth Sahib Ji was written systematically,  you can not change the original due to it written in a rhythmic way.

Basics if sukhi have a good video of it.

 

There are differences anyway because of styles of handwriting like kanna which gives vowel sound a , used to be written like a dot in older saroops .

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2 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

Dig out the relevant information please as I haven't read about them being punished as obviously Guru Pita ji was in war footing at the time, it sounds out of character because he didn't punish sikhs in dehli for denying their faith  but expected them to take up a second commitment i.e. Second chance.

It was in Banda Singh's time:

 

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No one should ever take Rattan Singh bhangu Sri Gur panth prakash as gospel.

On page 169 he says: 

The ogre left Bathinda after paying obeisance to the Guru,
And went on his way to the Mughal town of Sirhind.
Rai Dalla, then, beseached Satguru after the ogre’s departure,
That they should make a sacrifice of a Buffalo to the Goddess Bhawani. (18)
Chaupai : Thereupon, the Guru asked Rai Dalla for a buffalo to be brought,
Whose blood was sprinkled around the fort after its slaughter.
After that the Guru made this fort as his camp site,
There was plenty and prosperity in the whole Malwa region. (19)

The Guru has never done animal sacrifice and here we have rattan Singh bhangu saying the Guru ordered it to be done.  Again the camp that takes an artist imagination as gospel have taken rattan Singh bhangu book as gospel and it's a level of stupidity no one should go too.

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19 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

This article enumerates some of the received goods remember more than 512 saroops were taken so this is only a tiny fraction

 

 

OK, thanks. By the way, the Tribune article claims the sale was for 12 crore INR.

But this one says it was 4000 GBP.

12 crore INR would  be 1,358,872 GBP.

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4 hours ago, BhForce said:

OK, thanks. By the way, the Tribune article claims the sale was for 12 crore INR.

But this one says it was 4000 GBP.

12 crore INR would  be 1,358,872 GBP.

Lots of saroops and artefacts being nicked from our museums and gurdwarey  and being sold on , because they have no history to be proud of themselves. Figures are bandied about but we know that iit changes hands at high prices

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7 hours ago, Akalifauj said:

No one should ever take Rattan Singh bhangu Sri Gur panth prakash as gospel.

On page 169 he says: 

The ogre left Bathinda after paying obeisance to the Guru,
And went on his way to the Mughal town of Sirhind.
Rai Dalla, then, beseached Satguru after the ogre’s departure,
That they should make a sacrifice of a Buffalo to the Goddess Bhawani. (18)
Chaupai : Thereupon, the Guru asked Rai Dalla for a buffalo to be brought,
Whose blood was sprinkled around the fort after its slaughter.
After that the Guru made this fort as his camp site,
There was plenty and prosperity in the whole Malwa region. (19)

The Guru has never done animal sacrifice and here we have rattan Singh bhangu saying the Guru ordered it to be done.  Again the camp that takes an artist imagination as gospel have taken rattan Singh bhangu book as gospel and it's a level of stupidity no one should go too.

Yes, we shouldn't take all the contents as gospel, but to ignore this important Sikh literature is also a level of stupidity no one should stoop too. 

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Please note the receipt for returned item was signed by the head librarian but it was a partial return but then the army officials inserted a line saying for full library contents , this is the dirty game being played on one side with the SGPC Badal dal doing the other damage like selling gurdwara lands donated to Guru Sahiban or bought by them and lining their own pockets , so books and arms are small portable items to sell .

https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/the-mystery-of-missing-articles-of-sikh-reference-library-5789595/?fbclid=IwAR2X76zN6ZV4vzgClDlY5yI5MruHzThVe1RDfA9hBusvrpEtJ9s4W5Bx-Yc#comments

 

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On 6/18/2019 at 4:24 PM, jkvlondon said:

What happens if they all have some question mark? Then we have them back but we can never use them in the way they were intended?

I think that the first priority is tracing the saroop that was recently sold which has Guru Gobind Singh ji's signature which sold for 10Crode rupees recently and it must be returned to a safe place like where? Sgpc runs most gurudwarey

If all the saroops have a question mark then they can placed in a secure place so no mischievous person can obtain access and try to put doubts on  Gurbani and the Gurus.  I dont think you understand what is at stake here.  There are many people of all religions ready to put doubts on Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji.  They see Guru Sahib as a threat and this would turn into a perfect chance for such people to place doubts on Gurbani if the Saroops have been changed in some manner.  Why would the Indian government just hand over saroops.  They will kill 100 Sikhs before even dreaming about give one Sikh justice.  Why be so gullible?  Trusted Gursikhs should be given the task to look at the saroops and see everything is good or not.  

If you want to track the saroop down.  String the person who sold the saroop upside down and let wild dog loose.  The person will quickly know Sikhs are serious about their Guru.

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On 6/18/2019 at 8:24 PM, BhForce said:

Sure. As a precaution. But I don't think that would a major concern because you can easily tell the use of new paper and new ink and rebinding.

You make it look so easy.  Why don't you go and get justice from the Indian government for killing thousands of Sikhs since the 80s.  Walk into their office and ask for it.  They will give it to you.  

How is the killing of the Sikhs related to what we are talking about?  Because the current custodians of Sikhi saroops are hand and glove with the Indian government and they would say and do as the Indian government tells them.  Let's be honest, you or I don't mean anything to them. They will do as they like and give a dream state story for Sikhs to eat up.  I refuse to eat their story and any Sikh who loves the Khalsa panth will do the same.

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