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13 hours ago, GuestSingh said:

it can depend on the kid too - if one has certain morals/ethics from young n can pick up on certain experiences in life then itll jus feel wrong but thts just my feelings on it.

maybe todays youth have it more difficult wiv the stronger peer pressure from social media - cuz there was none growing up in the 90s.

but personally speaking, having parents u described n rarely goin gurdwara, theres not really any otha word to describe it - the thought of converting had never really entered my mind at all.

You hit on something so important here. I think it is a fallacy to think that having adherent parents, or being taught from a  young age can heavily influence people in their Sikhi. It can, but it also often doesn't too. 

There are countless examples of siblings who've grown up one way, but follow completely different paths from each other in adulthood. Look at Bhai Jagraj Singh and his brother Sunny Hundal for example. I'm sure a lot of you see this around you too, even in your own families. Surely we've all seen kids from irreligious families having a strong connection to Sikhi - and we've all seen the opposite too. Look at that paedo groomer Amere Dhaliwal for another example - his grandpa is a pardaan and respected member of the local community - it didn't stop him being a low-life scumbag nonce-case extraordinaire. 

We have to be realistic and perceptive about such things. Sure, ideally parents should try their very best - but to think this is a guarantee for Sikhi inspired adults just doesn't bear out from what I've seen?

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On 7/1/2019 at 9:11 AM, Guest I_Kaur said:

We have to admit, that not every single Sikh or who claims to be a Sikh, are Keshadharis. There are many 'weak in faith' Sikh's out there. That's a fact. These young guys are from Sikh families, who are turning away from Sikhi and instead of shoving it under the carpet, we must face it and respond. It's just a challenge of this era, and unless we admit it, we cannot find an answer. But if the leaders and our intellectuals are out sight and out of touch, than it'll only get worse. Today it's someone else's brother, tomorrow it'll reach our own homes and affect our own families. 

Yes i understand..no doubt we must face it but you know how crafty these Muslims are..the lengths they'll go to come after the Sikh community they make these videos 'Muslim man in love with Sikh girl' they play these manipulative dirty games..and theres no valid proof whether they are Sikhs...there is one video on YT 'Sikh girls converts to islam' and shes wearing full on niqab and when you listen to her voice she sounds from Arab....but reagrdless no doubt Sikhs are leaving islam,  but more so to Christaninty..(Punjab is turining into christian state) ..but in terms of Islam maybe few 'Sikh boys' converted to Islam (or he could be the only one ) but i can ASSURE YOU THEM AMOUNT OF SIKH GIRLS IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH MUSLIM MEN is unbelievable. no just the grooming Sikh girls BUT i know 2 Sikh girls who were with relationship with Pakistani men...one Sikh girl was 19 she would tell me the sex they had over weekend at hotel ..she lost a virginity to him..and one Sikh girl was daughter of Gurdwara president ..lol...this was few years ago but now on social media i see it all time its so common they are in open relationship with Muslims...seems like the parents dont even care hence why they post pics with their BF's etc..and loving the attention from Muslim men esp the Arabs etc SMH...there are Sikh girls on twitter, tweeting 'im horny' etc..what can you do..cant blame the parents or our other generations..these are the Sikh generation living born and bread in Western countries..education etc and look at what they are doing...and seems now parents counts give a F### (growing up parents would always warn you stay away from them..etc) 

We should stop blaming leaders and older generation..but what are WE DOING?! How can we make difference..we are living in Western countries..plenty education  resources..we gotta take action..cant blame anyone...like Basics of Sikh Bhai Jagraj Singh Ji..if we all did our part..how far we can go...We need more likewise Late Bhai Jagraj Singh Ji ...we need to stop complaning and blaming 'be the change you want to be in the world'...if we all did a fraction how far we can go...

But speaking of that...todays Sikh generation are the Far Left, Far left garbage liberalism SJW's Islamic apologists.LGBTQ communtity, 'we are all one /We are one human race'.. desperate to be on BBC, retweets etc   hating on Trump and and nationalism'...Many SIKHS defending Islam at any chance for their own political gains, and $$$ (Khalsa Aid..so much dishonesty with this charity..how much they raise and how much they spend and pocket ..and operating on Muslim countries..because you know when ISIS slaughters Sikhs Hindus ..we gotta  KA giving out Qurans and mats on Eid with good cameras and  because we are all one) ..also many SIkhs defending and supporting 'Free Palestine, Hamas/ Hezbollah, return of ISIS brides and so on...and 'Free Kashmir''' ..love Pakistan (because you know how Pakistan treats Sikhs...destroyed gurdwara recently)

There too must BS and political gains and these sponsors media outlets and with buy these Far left Sikhs and damage the Sikhi..

What can we do ..those who truly care..we need more Bhai Jagraj Ji preaching Sikhi..Open youtube channel talk about Sikhi, need support Sikh charities in Punjab helping build Sikh schools in India...so the generation will survive or will be taken advantage to thse missionaries that target poor Hindus and Sikhs,,,need to be in involved in politics esp Conservatives..(theres few in Canada that MSM will consider are alt right) but we need more in Conservatives politics ...

Theres alot we can do together...one small step will take us along way.. 

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On 6/27/2019 at 6:44 AM, Redoptics said:

It's how the parents raise children now, if the parents do not have belief in Sikhi what are the children going to do? Obviously they would get led astray.

forgot to mention this in my post above but there was actually a thread posted sometime last yr by a so-called 'sikh' female who said she came from a family of sants/mahapurakhs, a big practicing sikh family n wore a dumalla etc. but was sleeping around wiv a non-sikh, lying to her parents about her whereabouts, stealing from em etc.

so again...even wen younger generations r blessed to be born into a family like this they still end up being ungrateful, selfish n rebellious.

a lot of em these days, especially the girls, r outta control and can never be trusted.

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On 7/2/2019 at 3:30 PM, dallysingh101 said:

Simple simon has spoke!

Everything is ABC and straightforward. How comes the rest of us can't see it that way! 

Underaged female grooming victims are to blame for their predicament. Never mind that the groomer is breaking the law themselves. Hormones don't play any role. A finely honed system to entrap and abuse such girls that has been developed over decades (if not centuries) doesn't exist. There are no people that have a grudge against Sikhs for historical reasons like religious rivalries or just plain old fashioned white supremacism. Growing up in a bi-cultural setting like diaspora kids do, doesn't ever cause confusion. The heavily sexualised nature of UK television (and culture) doesn't have any effect on young people growing up around it. 

We shouldn't really question the role of the giani today in the UK, and whether it is adequate for today's needs and environment - and perhaps seek to adapt to requirements.

you can try and obscure it all you want.  but yes, the truth is simple.  sorry.

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19 hours ago, GuestSingh said:

forgot to mention this in my post above but there was actually a thread posted sometime last yr by a so-called 'sikh' female who said she came from a family of sants/mahapurakhs, a big practicing sikh family n wore a dumalla etc. but was sleeping around wiv a non-sikh, lying to her parents about her whereabouts, stealing from em etc.

so again...even wen younger generations r blessed to be born into a family like this they still end up being ungrateful, selfish n rebellious.

a lot of em these days, especially the girls, r outta control and can never be trusted.

Teaching and being are two totally different things.

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4 hours ago, Redoptics said:

Teaching and being are two totally different things.

my point was tht therell always be exceptions.

u said we shouldnt expect anything different from younger generations if they have faithless parents and thts true but it wont apply to everyone (the above being one example)

there r too many variables to consider i.e. personality, upbringing, experiences, exposures etc.

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On 7/4/2019 at 12:44 AM, Guest guest said:

you can try and obscure it all you want.  but yes, the truth is simple.  sorry.

Maybe to the perception of the simple minded? 

There is nothing to obscure. The human psyche can be complex, contradictory thing. 

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On 7/7/2019 at 11:33 PM, dallysingh101 said:

Maybe to the perception of the simple minded? 

There is nothing to obscure. The human psyche can be complex, contradictory thing. 

well my 'simple mindedness' saved me and my associates from getting involved in trashy sex, stds, drug addiction and pointless violence, jail etc that many of my 'complex, contradictory' classmates fell so willingly into.

^typical millennial mindset- someone else is always to blame.  victim mentality.  blame society.  etc etc   

 

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On 7/3/2019 at 10:39 PM, GuestSingh said:

forgot to mention this in my post above but there was actually a thread posted sometime last yr by a so-called 'sikh' female who said she came from a family of sants/mahapurakhs, a big practicing sikh family n wore a dumalla etc. but was sleeping around wiv a non-sikh, lying to her parents about her whereabouts, stealing from em etc.

so again...even wen younger generations r blessed to be born into a family like this they still end up being ungrateful, selfish n rebellious.

a lot of em these days, especially the girls, r outta control and can never be trusted.

GuestSingh, there's also a flip-side.  a lot of none-religious kids, or even kids from broken families, behave really sensibly and maturely.  

you could someone who dresses/act in a way that implies they have low morals (male of female), but its actually the opposite.

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guestkaur, i am happy to see a female posting on this subject for once.  thank you for sharing.

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On 7/3/2019 at 8:53 PM, Guest guestKaur17 said:

Yes i understand..no doubt we must face it but you know how crafty these Muslims are..the lengths they'll go to come after the Sikh community they make these videos 'Muslim man in love with Sikh girl' they play these manipulative dirty games..and theres no valid proof whether they are Sikhs...there is one video on YT 'Sikh girls converts to islam' and shes wearing full on niqab and when you listen to her voice she sounds from Arab....but reagrdless no doubt Sikhs are leaving islam,  but more so to Christaninty..(Punjab is turining into christian state) ..but in terms of Islam maybe few 'Sikh boys' converted to Islam (or he could be the only one ) but i can ASSURE YOU THEM AMOUNT OF SIKH GIRLS IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH MUSLIM MEN is unbelievable. no just the grooming Sikh girls BUT i know 2 Sikh girls who were with relationship with Pakistani men...one Sikh girl was 19 she would tell me the sex they had over weekend at hotel ..she lost a virginity to him..and one Sikh girl was daughter of Gurdwara president ..lol...this was few years ago but now on social media i see it all time its so common they are in open relationship with Muslims...seems like the parents dont even care hence why they post pics with their BF's etc..and loving the attention from Muslim men esp the Arabs etc SMH...there are Sikh girls on twitter, tweeting 'im horny' etc..what can you do..cant blame the parents or our other generations..these are the Sikh generation living born and bread in Western countries..education etc and look at what they are doing...and seems now parents counts give a F### (growing up parents would always warn you stay away from them..etc)

we need to be namin n shamin these dogs so everyone across the disapora knows who they r.

enough is enough n they shudnt be allowed to get away wiv it.

we call out anyone who brings sikhi into any kind of disrepute...we do it wiv fake babe, we do it wiv corrupt politicians, we do it wiv those who do beadbi of guru granth sahib ji....so wat makes these sikhs any different? an enemy of the panth is one who tries to harm n weaken us n thts exactly wat these lot r doin by tarnishing n disgracing our identity n their family.

if the family happens to be decent or more sikhi-oriented than most then wat happens? the dad loses face in the community outta shame, turns to drink n contemplates suicide? thts any kinda figure to teach sikhi in the house weakened n gone...the mom also cnt show herself to family/friends to gossip, loses faith n becomes depressed, turns to fake babeh outta hope n maybe comfort eats - probs anotha reason y diabetes/cholesterol is so high in our lot - so a potential early death? brothers feel ashamed - a weak dad/figure of authority to teach sikhi or even the basics in ryt from wrong makes em angry, run riot n start takin the wrong path? thts it - sikhi in tht family is finished n gone for gd - n its all cuz the girl didnt have any self-control, self-respect, morals/values from the beginning...

this cud also wake up the closeted apne/singhs who thinks any panjabi girl who wants to marry a sabat soorat gursikh is clean as a white sheet n has no dirty past...

if we keep doin nothin, its gna keep happenin so wats there to lose?

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On 7/9/2019 at 12:43 AM, Guest guest said:

well my 'simple mindedness' saved me and my associates from getting involved in trashy sex, stds, drug addiction and pointless violence, jail etc that many of my 'complex, contradictory' classmates fell so willingly into.

^typical millennial mindset- someone else is always to blame.  victim mentality.  blame society.  etc etc   

 

I'm not a millenial. 

I just didn't hide under a bed my whole life. lol

 

Anyway, I'm glad there are many not like you - they are actually the ones who have the bollox to confront the problems our panth faces instead of constantly bottling it.  

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On 6/26/2019 at 3:55 AM, Guest I_KAUR said:

WGK~WGF

Look! Another young Sikh boy is falling for the traps of islamic guys.What is really going on. Why are they so gullible? How do we tackle such threats to our people by these islamic goons and why are our people turning to a religion that did so much against ours???

By not raising weak singhs/kaurs who can't even fight or defend themselves,  most singh/kaurs I know have self-esteem issues, and are insecure, they lack confidence which means they lack faith> 

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On 7/12/2019 at 5:20 PM, dallysingh101 said:

I just didn't hide under a bed my whole life. lol

 

meaning?

you've done messed up things and trying to cover for them with excuses?

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11 hours ago, Guest guest said:

meaning?

you've done messed up things and trying to cover for them with excuses?

Not at all. I've lived life, and haven't used cowardice or the pseudo-conservatism that you (and many others) seem to espouse as an excuse for constant inaction. That's what a  lot of people have been talking about in threads here recently too I notice. How we've got so many problems in our panth because people (like yourself perhaps?) are just constantly frightened to stick their necks out, no matter what. And then vilify those that do, because it probably (deep down) brings their own inadequacies into sharp relief. Invertebrates if you will. 

 I don't think there are any of us who haven't done messed up things btw. I think constantly cowardly inaction or inertia is also a pretty messed up too, but people hide this flaw under some guise of being a goody-two shoes 'Sikh' in the most emasculated way. 

If I've done any (what you call) 'messed up things' I've owned them. I've paid for them.  But what about all the other momma's boys types, do they own the fact that their inaction and paralysis by fear has brought our communities reputation to the gutter, to the point that sexual predators from other communities see ours as the go to one, for their prey. 

And you don't even need to bother trying to answer the above, because we've all heard the pathetic excuses for this for years now. 

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