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1 hour ago, MisterrSingh said:

Another unpopular opinion: these people (not white-collar boxers; generally, people with an inkling for the rough and tumble / slightly riskier side of existence) aren't emotionally blackmailed into conformity by religious or spiritual beliefs that lean too heavily to the side of inaction, pacifism, karmic balance ("what goes around, comes around" therefore we thumb the nose at the divine order of letting things take their course by taking matters into our own hands), etc. There's absolutely an aspect of these ideas that are true, but we seem to hide behind these truths because the alternative, equally valid opposite end of the spectrum, seems to be something we've been conditioned to believe that only "bad", unintelligent, unsophisticated people do. That was never the case in our heyday. Domestication, per se, has de-fanged us. We've lost that edge. We need to regain it, quickly.

What our people have misunderstood is that you do not need to swing 100 per cent one way or the other. 

Discernment is key.

There is a time to be intellectual and there is a time to be "physically confrontational " for want of a better word.

Sometimes you don't have to be violent.  One just need to stand up and stand firm. The message you portray is that is not that you will be violent, it is that you could be violent. 

This is the message Sikhs of the past sent out.

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2 hours ago, Big_Tera said:

Toughness is a psychological thing. Nothing to do with physique. 

Look at some black people.

Even a skinny short black dude will act tough and be feared. 

You see with blacks and some other marginalised youths/communities 

Many come from ghettos. No money or job. In and out of prison. They will fight anyone and everyone as they have nothing to lose in life. 

You want some law abiding hardworking Sikh to become like a ghetto thug. involved in crime and knifings and stabbing to be feared?

Sikhs need to use their intellect rather then their fists. 

 

A true warrior is both mentally and physically strong.

You say-

”use intellect rather then their fists”

Guru gobind singh maharaj said when all other means fail it is righteous to use the sword. 

If an innocent woman or child is getting attacked on the street, you will use intellect how? A true sikh will destroy any aggressor there on the spot. 

You think a Sikh should hide away and call the police? 

No one is suggesting Sikhs should become ghetto thugs, but we should be able to face up to / defend ourselves or other innocents against such thugs using violence if necessary. 

Further more, true Sikhs accept death, they too have nothing to lose, this is a great quality, in fact guruji says before coming to him-

pehla maran kabool jeevan ji schad aas 

first accept death and give up all hope of life

Are you a follower of mahatma ghandi / non violence by any chance? You sound like a <banned word filter activated>

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21 hours ago, IshR said:

A true warrior is both mentally and physically strong.

You say-

”use intellect rather then their fists”

Guru gobind singh maharaj said when all other means fail it is righteous to use the sword. 

If an innocent woman or child is getting attacked on the street, you will use intellect how? A true sikh will destroy any aggressor there on the spot. 

You think a Sikh should hide away and call the police? 

No one is suggesting Sikhs should become ghetto thugs, but we should be able to face up to / defend ourselves or other innocents against such thugs using violence if necessary. 

Further more, true Sikhs accept death, they too have nothing to lose, this is a great quality, in fact guruji says before coming to him-

pehla maran kabool jeevan ji schad aas 

first accept death and give up all hope of life

Are you a follower of mahatma ghandi / non violence by any chance? You sound like a <banned word filter activated>

So you want to risk your life in a fight by acting and behaving aggressively. End up in hospital or even worse Lose your life over some petty squabble with some Yob that has no life and probably wants to take someone down with him.

Also your forgetting the.mentality of these people. They will comming looking for you with a gang to settle the score. If ypu give one of these a hiding. 

Obviously Sikhs should be ready to defend. But in todays uk lawless society when many are tooled up and ready to stab anyone that gets in thwir way. 

Obviously Sikhs need to stand up for themselves. Bullying only happens when we let it. 

Pumping weights is good. But should only be used in self defence. 

 

 

 

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57 minutes ago, Big_Tera said:

So you want to risk your life in a fight by acting and behaving aggressively. End up in hospital or even worse Lose your life over some petty squabble with some Yob that has no life and probably wants to take someone down with him.

Also your forgetting the.mentality of these people. They will comming looking for you with a gang to settle the score. If ypu give one of these a hiding. 

Obviously Sikhs should be ready to defend. But in todays uk lawless society when many are tooled up and ready to stab anyone that gets in thwir way. 

Obviously Sikhs need to stand up for themselves. Bullying only happens when we let it. 

Pumping weights is good. But should only be used in self defence. 

 

 

 

You have been proven wrong, now you are trying to put words in my mouth and twist what I’ve said.

You said -

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“So you want to risk your life in a fight by acting and behaving aggressively. End up in hospital or even worse Lose your life over some petty squabble with some Yob that has no life and probably wants to take someone down with him.”

I never said fight for the sake of acting and behaving aggressively. Nor did I say fight over petty squabbles. You are digging yourself into a hole.

This topic is about Sikhs not being able to stick up for themselves and Sikh youth being bullied. 

Like I’ve already said, use of violence is a last resort to defend oneself or another innocent, when all other means have failed.

This it seems you now agree with me and have changed your stance as you said- 

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 “Obviously  Sikhs need to stand up for themselves. Bullying only happens when we let it. 

Pumping weights is good. But should only be used in self defence. “

  

Im glad we can end this discussion in agreement!!

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On 7/13/2019 at 5:27 AM, KhoonKaBadlaKhoon said:

What Canada are you living in? Most of these Punjabi Sikh kids here love fighting. Or do you mean full on sabt soorat gursikhs in specific?

Yeah, I'm talking about the actual singhs.

Those punjabi sikh kids you're talking about are just "Jatts"  and "Punjabi" they only idenitify as sikh but know nothing about sikh, usually boast about being Jatt and they sell drugs are just thugs, some of them have turbans because of their parents and would look weird without a turban.

Actual sikhs in Canada are either tall and lanky or just obese, yesterday at the doc's I saw this sikh youth who was probably like 12, whose tall and SUPER OBESE, like honey boo boo, probably around 200 pounds, most actual sikhs in Canada are introverts and are lonely, they lack social skills and have no confidence. 

 

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On 7/13/2019 at 8:40 AM, Big_Tera said:

Toughness is a psychological thing. Nothing to do with physique. 

Look at some black people.

Even a skinny short black dude will act tough and be feared. 

You see with blacks and some other marginalised youths/communities 

Many come from ghettos. No money or job. In and out of prison. They will fight anyone and everyone as they have nothing to lose in life. 

You want some law abiding hardworking Sikh to become like a ghetto thug. involved in crime and knifings and stabbing to be feared?

Sikhs need to use their intellect rather then their fists. 

 

You're clearly missing the point if you think we want to transform sikhs into criminals.

Being healthy and muscular/ having confidence doesn't automatically turn you into a gangster.

It's SAINT SOLDIER, not Saint Criminal.

And those skinny blacks are usually muscular as well, skinny due to playing a-lot basketball and they have a warrior mentality but lack the saint aspect of it, when Singhs should have both, being a Saint soldier.

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We simply need better parenting and role models, and we should endorse a healthy life style.

Instill confidence and bravery, and a healthy  diet.

Throw in some martial arts classes, take it in most of the people who get converted into other faiths are the same culprits I'm talking about, people who get converted are mentally weak.

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Don't take it offensive but fact is fact. Western born Sikhs are weak in the physical strength unless they actually do any hard labor work, goes to gym/crossfit etc. Sikhs in india (not all) lives hard life and naturally they are more nature adapted and has more stamina than a foreign born sikh or in fact any western born kid. 
 

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9 hours ago, S1ngh said:

Don't take it offensive but fact is fact. Western born Sikhs are weak in the physical strength unless they actually do any hard labor work, goes to gym/crossfit etc. Sikhs in india (not all) lives hard life and naturally they are more nature adapted and has more stamina than a foreign born sikh or in fact any western born kid.
 

Sikhs stopped being 'hungry' or feeling wary in the West they should wake up and smell the coffee the west is feeling under threat so are starting up their old coping mechanisms demonise the minorities and different. OK mummy and daddy ji told you to have a profession doesn't make you immune from getting attacked or beaten up; man or woman . Everyone old and young needs to get prepared to defend themselves because we know the police is bought by other interests.

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1 hour ago, jkvlondon said:

Sikhs stopped being 'hungry' or feeling wary in the West they should wake up and smell the coffee the west is feeling under threat so are starting up their old coping mechanisms demonise the minorities and different. OK mummy and daddy ji told you to have a profession doesn't make you immune from getting attacked or beaten up; man or woman . Everyone old and young needs to get prepared to defend themselves because we know the police is bought by other interests.

They're labouring under the dangerous idea that their hard fought middle class existence will shield them from any potential unrest; that's it's only going to affect the ghettos and the rough areas because that's where the "undesirables" live. They hold the people who are slightly rough around the edges, or those who've fallen through the cracks, with contempt -- although they'd never admit it -- yet funnily enough their misplaced faith in the "system" will send them into an existential crisis when the false safety net they cling to is going to be withdrawn. As much as I'm not anti-white or any of that pallaver, apne of a certain social status in Western countries have too much faith in the sincerity and the integrity of the White establishment. These people have sold out the fellows of their own race; ain't nobody give a jack about us. Sink or swim.

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7 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

They're labouring under the dangerous idea that their hard fought middle class existence will shield them from any potential unrest; that's it's only going to affect the ghettos and the rough areas because that's where the "undesirables" live. They hold the people who are slightly rough around the edges, or those who've fallen through the cracks, with contempt -- although they'd never admit it -- yet funnily enough their misplaced faith in the "system" will send them into an existential crisis when the false safety net they cling to is going to be withdrawn. As much as I'm not anti-white or any of that pallaver, apne of a certain social status in Western countries have too much faith in the sincerity and the integrity of the White establishment. These people have sold out the fellows of their own race; ain't nobody give a jack about us. Sink or swim.

They are oblivious to the recent treachery of the white establishment: nov 84 vs westland helicopters, jaggi johal vs possible future trade let alone 10 million homeless sikhs, rapes and murders in the high thousands during partition, after planning to divide the sikh heartlands,  saka Nankana Sahib , saka Guru ka bagh, Jallianwalabagh ,duleep singh's kidnap , imprisonment of jind kaur, etc etc  going back into history

A civilisation that doesn't remember it's history is doomed to repeat it.

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On 7/12/2019 at 11:38 PM, MisterrSingh said:

else you'll be a strong-bodied individual without the necessary mental abilities to discern when you're being taken for a fool. You'll just be a blunt instrument; muscle for hire

That sounds like relationship of sikhs with britishers and now Indians lol

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1 minute ago, AjeetSingh2019 said:

That sounds like relationship of sikhs with britishers and now Indians lol

Yes.

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I advise all singhs/kaurs to obtain a legal gun license, with of course fire-arm training.

Arm yourself with knowledge as well.

Look at the laws, etc

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