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Tabla lessons are common but stringed instruments seem to be disappearing and becoming more exclusive 

i once ordered a Tumbi from online lol   tried following online tutorials but found it to difficult haha    its gathering dust in my cupboard now lol 

i wanna learn tabla some point   stringed instrument is just a far away distant dream for me lol 

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On 8/9/2019 at 10:14 AM, BhForce said:

I don't know what I'd call him, but do you have any example of such a person? Or are you just engaging in pure speculation?

Again, this "well-learned and highly accomplished ustaad #1", how in the world did he learn sixty raags for free and also become "accomplished" in his spare time? How did he "accomplish" so much (training his voice, doing sargams, writing bandishes, learning tabla taals), while also farming his fields or making furniture to sell or tailoring clothes?

 

there is someone but dno the full details of how they learnt. but tht shudnt be dismissed as speculation. the same ustaad was taught by their parent to a limited extent so this does happen n nw his kids have become his shagird.

anyway my point was abt learning all raag on stringed instruments. ur definition of 'accomplished' inc. more than mine.

again if u can start from an extremely young age n have natural ability then u can progress far quicker than doin a raag a yr imo.

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On 8/9/2019 at 4:07 PM, Guest guest said:

your analogy about learning English from a Christian is not appropriate.  firstly because you wouldnt be going to church to learn it, secondly because English is outside of your religious sphere as a sikh (you are not learning it for worship purposes)

Bro, what are you talking about? A lot of Sikh (and other non-Sikh, non-Christian kids) go to Church of England and other such schools.

As long as you're not worshiping Jesus, I fail to see anything wrong in that. 

In case you think that's just "modern" squishy Sikhs sending their kids to non-Sikh teachers, Guru Sahib's parents sent them to religious instructors for teaching them Punjabi or other Indian languages (Pandits) and Mullahs for learning Persian.

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On 8/9/2019 at 4:02 PM, Guest guest said:

i disagree.  the rules for Amritdharis are more strict/elevated then for others.  

Bro, that is a wrong understanding of Sikhi.

There are not "different rules" for Amritdharis vs everyone else.

There's one set of rules. It's just that Amritdharis actually follow them (or are supposed to).

There's simply no rule you can't learn some sort of vidia (education) from a non-Sikh.

On 8/9/2019 at 4:02 PM, Guest guest said:

old rehits don't even allow mixing with muslims ("turks").

I agree with not mixing with people that will harm your Sikhi.

But we're not talking about "hanging out" with your Namdhari teacher. He's simply teaching you music.

I should note that I'm simply talking about taking lessons from Namdhari (or Hindu, or Muslim) music teachers. Actually going into a Namdhari temple or mosque might require additional reflection.

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On 8/4/2019 at 11:58 PM, Guest guest said:

is is Namdhari sings who specialise in raag kirtan?  

it might be forbidden for you if you are amritdhari (because of their beliefs).  but one possibility is to find out if there is a naamdhari place in london.  they might teach you for free.

and also, as your next post alludes to, naamdharis also take khanday dee pahul, and actually most of them do compared to "us" mainstream sikhs.

On 8/10/2019 at 12:02 AM, Guest guest said:

aside from their belief in a continuing succession fo Gurus, the Naamdharis are very similar to mainstream Khalsa rehit, hence the more caution because the more pronounced the heresy due to similarity.  

naamdharis are also much closer to rehit than some of these jathabandis we have now corrupt the panth since colonial times. However naamdharis are missing the kshatriya rehit of khalsa, ie the warrior maryada.

11 hours ago, BhForce said:

Bro, what are you talking about? A lot of Sikh (and other non-Sikh, non-Christian kids) go to Church of England and other such schools.

As long as you're not worshiping Jesus, I fail to see anything wrong in that. 

In case you think that's just "modern" squishy Sikhs sending their kids to non-Sikh teachers, Guru Sahib's parents sent them to religious instructors for teaching them Punjabi or other Indian languages (Pandits) and Mullahs for learning Persian.

I think a lot of "sikh" children would easily get influenced by christian schools due to lack of sikhi knowledge, and this includes those who go to these schools in India as well

11 hours ago, BhForce said:

Bro, that is a wrong understanding of Sikhi.

There are not "different rules" for Amritdharis vs everyone else.

There's one set of rules. It's just that Amritdharis actually follow them (or are supposed to).

There's simply no rule you can't learn some sort of vidia (education) from a non-Sikh.

I agree with not mixing with people that will harm your Sikhi.

Yes, Khalsa sikhs used to learn from other sikh sampradaiye as well when it came to spiritual gyaan and sikhi knowledge. Obviously for learning there are no strict rules, however other rules are different for khalsa sikhs as they need to follow the military rules as well compared to sehajdhari "civilian" sikhs.

And this is funny, but would learning from a harmonium teacher harm your sikhi, as it takes you away from learning sikh/Gurus' instruments? I would find it harmful for someone to teach that crazy keertan which plays at many rehnsbhais, 🤣😂

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On 8/19/2019 at 5:49 AM, BhForce said:

Bro, what are you talking about? A lot of Sikh (and other non-Sikh, non-Christian kids) go to Church of England and other such schools.

As long as you're not worshiping Jesus, I fail to see anything wrong in that. 

In case you think that's just "modern" squishy Sikhs sending their kids to non-Sikh teachers, Guru Sahib's parents sent them to religious instructors for teaching them Punjabi or other Indian languages (Pandits) and Mullahs for learning Persian.

you misunderstood what i wrote.  they go to those schools to learn secular subjects.  they don't go there to learn hymn singing so they can apply it to sikhi singing.  

here they are learning religious singing, from a sect that believes in something heretical to mainstream Khalsa sikhs, and most likely would have to learn it in their worship place.

i didn't object to learning from non-sikhs, or going to non-sikh schools etc  im the one who suggested he could learn from Naamdharis in the first place!    

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On 8/12/2019 at 11:09 AM, ipledgeblue said:

Just checked out Ramgharia gurdwara Slough and went to a Raag Keertan session. so they definitely do classes there on Sundays at 12pm.

West Midlands 

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