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2 minutes ago, puzzled said:

Shushma Swarj is dead, apparently she had a heart attack. i think a lot of politicians get murdered/killed off but in media they say its an "heart attack"    you really cant believe anything the media says, most the time the media presents what they want us to believe. most popular media houses are under the governments anyway.  BBC still says Diana "died" in an accident lol

we really dont know whats going on, thats the whole point of it, where not supposed to know, so they use media to mislead us. 

Interesting that she died so close after making positive noises towards respecting sikhi and the need for Indians to learn from Guru Nanak Dev ji

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5 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

Kashmir belongs to whomever the CIA and, to a certain extent, MI6 says it belongs to. Wrap your heads around the controversial idea that India and Pakistan have sold the lie of independence and autonomy to their respective populations (and the world), but are actually vassal states of whichever Western superpower claims them behind the scenes. The dog and pony show conducted in the media is for the purposes of selling the lie. The CIA will never allow India to go to war with Pakistan or vice versa. Aside from the typical brinkmanship and public war of words, nothing will come of the current situation. If anything, India will use the turmoil created by their recent decision by turning it to their advantage for political means by honing in on smaller regional issues under the cover of this larger conflict.

Reason Kashmir is important has to do with money. I think oil is there. So they need it for the money. 

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The skirmishes between the two countries that took place during the 60s and 70s will never be allowed to happen again on that scale, until there's the inevitable and unavoidable regional conflict that will occur as part of a greater World War scenario where the Western string-pullers will be preoccupied with their own troubles to care what's happening. Like I said, an exclusive Ind v Pak situation will not be permitted to escalate as the rest of the world looks on. At best, we're looking at a behind the lines, t1t-for-tat situation of false encounters and border activity.

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10 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

Interesting that she died so close after making positive noises towards respecting sikhi and the need for Indians to learn from Guru Nanak Dev ji

She's also helped many punjabis and other Indians back to India that were made into house slaves in the middle east. 

I think there's more to her death than just a heart attack 

Some German historian who faked holocaust victims was found dead in her house. She was "found" dead, I think the people who she worked for, the ones who recruited her to make fake fake victims and stories up decided to fire her and killed her because she did a rubbish job of making fake stories. 

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18 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

Kashmir belongs to whomever the CIA and, to a certain extent, MI6 says it belongs to. Wrap your heads around the controversial idea that India and Pakistan have sold the lie of independence and autonomy to their respective populations (and the world), but are actually vassal states of whichever Western superpower claims them behind the scenes. The dog and pony show conducted in the media is for the purposes of selling the lie. The CIA will never allow India to go to war with Pakistan or vice versa. Aside from the typical brinkmanship and public war of words, nothing will come of the current situation. If anything, India will use the turmoil created by their recent decision by turning it to their advantage for political means by honing in on smaller regional issues under the cover of this larger conflict.

What I dont get is why India does not allow outside mediation on the matter. 

It seems like they need help to diffuse the situation and come to some kind of agreement. But they insist it is an internal matter. 

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even the pakistani from wrk sounded defeated on this one. n he can be too stubborn n headstrong sometimes.

the muslim minority wont be worth more than the greater power/wealth tht cums thru trade wiv 'india' in the eyes of whitey. so theres little reason for em to interfere n act as the worlds policeman as they like to do everywhere else.

make no mistake tho. hindu govt/police r terrorising the kashmiri muslims day n night. theyre under curfew 24/7, youth r beaten, shot or bombed for no reason, women raped etc.

sound familiar? panjab was the 'laboratory' during the militant days. every single evil tactic n strategy tht worked for em was used in other states like manipur, chattisgarh etc to combat n terrorise other ethnic minorities also fighting for their equal rights, freedom n autonomy. we c the same wiv j&k.

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51 minutes ago, GuestSingh said:

even the pakistani from wrk sounded defeated on this one. n he can be too stubborn n headstrong sometimes.

the muslim minority wont be worth more than the greater power/wealth tht cums thru trade wiv 'india' in the eyes of whitey. so theres little reason for em to interfere n act as the worlds policeman as they like to do everywhere else.

make no mistake tho. hindu govt/police r terrorising the kashmiri muslims day n night. theyre under curfew 24/7, youth r beaten, shot or bombed for no reason, women raped etc.

sound familiar? panjab was the 'laboratory' during the militant days. every single evil tactic n strategy tht worked for em was used in other states like manipur, chattisgarh etc to combat n terrorise other ethnic minorities also fighting for their equal rights, freedom n autonomy. we c the same wiv j&k.

The army treats Kashmiris with respect. Yes they may be minor incidents of infringement here and there. But they only retaliate when they are attacked with stones and have to defend themselves.  Have you forgotton about palawama already? 

You sound like a wannabe muslim even though your nothing but an infidel to them. With your support for the suleh. 

If pakistan takes kashmir what will happen to non muslims there? You think they will be treated good?

Wake up and stop being a sulah a$$ licker. 

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3 hours ago, Big_Tera said:

What I dont get is why India does not allow outside mediation on the matter. 

It seems like they need help to diffuse the situation and come to some kind of agreement. But they insist it is an internal matter. 

It'll set a precedent they don't want to encourage, which suggests on some level they understand there may be a possibility the Kashmir problem isn't something that would be resolved entirely in their favour.

The important thing to understand is that India is a country of myriad and opposing religions, cultures and languages that are somehow held together by national state apparatus that wants to keep it that way. Why'd you think they went to the extents they did -- and still are doing although in a more subversive manner -- against Sikhs? They did not want Sikhs to break ties with India and form their own nation state, because if we'd succeeded others would've been emboldened and followed suit, and what would remain of India?

That's why the "One India" propaganda is pushed so vehemently, even more so in current times, because of the Indian desire to ensure it does not "Balkanise" into disparate states based on religion and language. That would be the end, and it wouldn't arrive without bloodshed. 

Granted, the Kashmir issue is a little more thorny and complex, but I think the general idea still applies, plus the added needle of ceding ground to their old adversary would be a national humiliation.

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1 hour ago, Big_Tera said:

The army treats Kashmiris with respect. Yes they may be minor incidents of infringement here and there. But they only retaliate when they are attacked with stones and have to defend themselves.  Have you forgotton about palawama already? 

You sound like a wannabe muslim even though your nothing but an infidel to them. With your support for the suleh. 

If pakistan takes kashmir what will happen to non muslims there? You think they will be treated good?

Wake up and stop being a sulah a$$ licker.

look my post was based on history. real life events, geopolitics n cold-truths. u can c the aforementioned oppression online for urself.

n my support is for gd sikhs bk home in panjab. so neither side here have my support given their history aganst sikhs. both have been n still r against sikhs. so whose side r u on? wats ur reason for pickin hindus over muslims?

as a hindu bahman, we expect u to favour these ppl. maybe even try to defend em, play dwn their atrocities n deflect any negative attention away from it. tht explains y ur post sounds exactly like wat a pro hindu nationalist wud say commenting on something like khalistan. uve either learnt well or ur one of em urself?

we knw wat happens to minorities on muslim land. its the same as minorities livin on hindu land. violence, oppression n murder in different ways. 

seein as both countries like to either rip their land apart or join it together by force, the earlier post tht suggested j&k be partitioned wiv each country claiming their majority populations region sounds like the solution.

'india' hasnt got much face to save anyway given their past. if the hindu elite couldnt defend themselves then they begged to their masters for benefits/jobs. like a little puppy on a leash for a treat. embarrassing.

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On 8/7/2019 at 5:12 AM, JSinghnz said:

They were not fighting for 70 years. They only started fighting when Pakistan started meddling in  there to revenge the making of Bangladesh.

Hope there is everlasting peace now.

The conflict started in 1948 and has continued up to today. There has been three outright wars but continuing skirmishes in between. Then in 1984 there has been outright rebellion.

How can taking away the last pillar of support the Kashmeris had bring about  everlasting peace?

 

 

4 hours ago, Big_Tera said:

What I dont get is why India does not allow outside mediation on the matter. 

It seems like they need help to diffuse the situation and come to some kind of agreement. But they insist it is an internal matter. 

 

Because India's record of extrajudicial killings and rapes will be exposed to the world. At the moment they maintain it being an "internal matter" so they don't have to be exposed.

 

Also there is the very strong possibility that india will be deemed to denying the Kashmeris their right to self-determination which is upheld in the Basic Charter of Human Rights as enshrined in the UN.

 

1 hour ago, Big_Tera said:

The army treats Kashmiris with respect.

I didn't read anything else after this line in your post. Next you will say that Aurangzeb treated Guru Tegh Bahahadur Ji with respect and Wazir Khan treated Sahibzadas with respect.

I can't believe that Sikhs have thinking like this at this time when the ease of information is at our fingertips.

 

 

On 8/6/2019 at 5:25 PM, jkvlondon said:

For those short-sighted people  here

1. Kashmir jammu and ladakh  are all parts of the greater sikh lands so India haveno rights to claim them as an integral part of Hindia.

 

I don't know why, but whenever you open your mouth it seems like you haven't engaged your brain. I mean, like, ALL the time. What is wrong with you?

These are not Sikhs lands. SIkhs took them in  battle and conquest like they took Peshawar and Khyber. Do you seriously count Peshawar and Khyber as greater Sikh lands?

Why are you spreading misonformation on this board?

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