Dasam Granth

[Singh1989]

You read translation but did u read actual style of Baani? So a normal manukh had that kinda brain to write in that style?

Tenth Guru Ji IS the author and... Dasam Granth is meant for the Khalsa. It's like, reading Maya without touching Maya... Or seeing fire, and touch fire? That'll b foolish! So, can you read without Maya entering your mind? If yes thas a pure Khalsa right there. Maharaaj explains lacchan of Maya and why we must keep away.

[puzzled]

Charitropakhyan are 100% true, look around and see what's happening in society.

You hear about women in Punjab murdering their husbands and running of with their lovers all the time    it's in the news. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indiatoday.in/amp/crime/story/wife-kills-husband-poison-affair-punjab-1572436-2019-07-23

A few years ago a British punjabi woman murdered her husband because he became a singh. She was was sleeping with her husbands friend, the so called friend helped her murder the singh. 

 

 

[GavinSingh]

1 hour ago, Singh1989 said:

You read translation but did u read actual style of Baani? So a normal manukh had that kinda brain to write in that style?

Tenth Guru Ji IS the author and... Dasam Granth is meant for the Khalsa. It's like, reading Maya without touching Maya... Or seeing fire, and touch fire? That'll b foolish! So, can you read without Maya entering your mind? If yes thas a pure Khalsa right there. Maharaaj explains lacchan of Maya and why we must keep away.

ok so its like a director making a pornographic film as a test for people to see if they get turned on by the film. Do you think it might be best that he probably don't try and make it in the first place, that way he's not wasting his time, he's not thinking of kaam, or getting people to do kaam and then editing kaam, that's a lot of Kaam. Your understanding is flawed. I think It's HUGELY disrespectful to think our Dasmesh Pitha, after fighting numerous battles, gives up his whole family, starts a panth, recites the bani to Bhai Mani Singh, then finds the time to write a granth which 1/3 compromises of how women are wicked, evil, only think of sex and are always deceiving men. Did he think this of his own mother or wife? I really don't think so.  You obviously haven't read the Guru Granth Sahib. Maybe you agree with the NKJ Kaam test ? 

[GavinSingh]

26 minutes ago, puzzled said:

Charitropakhyan are 100% true, look around and see what's happening in society.

You hear about women in Punjab murdering their husbands and running of with their lovers all the time    it's in the news. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indiatoday.in/amp/crime/story/wife-kills-husband-poison-affair-punjab-1572436-2019-07-23

A few years ago a British punjabi woman murdered her husband because he became a singh. She was was sleeping with her husbands friend, the so called friend helped her murder the singh. 

 

 

So...... women are evil, dangerous, murderers, sexual deviants and prostitutes?, yet statistically it's much more likely that men will commit adultery than women.  I think you need to see Women in a different light, maybe through how Gurbani describes them. 

[puzzled]

33 minutes ago, GavinSingh said:

So...... women are evil, dangerous, murderers, sexual deviants and prostitutes?, yet statistically it's much more likely that men will commit adultery than women.  I think you need to see Women in a different light, maybe through how Gurbani describes them. 

Charitropakhyan is full of lusty, murderous, adulterous evil men as well.  The men in charitropakhyan are just as worse as the women. 

News is full of men raping, even raping their daughters and corpses 

Wife sharing is becoming a common thing, they even do it in india. On daily mail the other day i read how a man in India put a bet on his own wife and lost the bet and then let the winners rape his wife.  

Like I said  just take a good look around you and see what's happening in society (men/women), charitropakhyan are 100% true 

[RajKaregaKhalsa1]

1 hour ago, GavinSingh said:

ok so its like a director making a pornographic film as a test for people to see if they get turned on by the film. Do you think it might be best that he probably don't try and make it in the first place, that way he's not wasting his time, he's not thinking of kaam, or getting people to do kaam and then editing kaam, that's a lot of Kaam. Your understanding is flawed. I think It's HUGELY disrespectful to think our Dasmesh Pitha, after fighting numerous battles, gives up his whole family, starts a panth, recites the bani to Bhai Mani Singh, then finds the time to write a granth which 1/3 compromises of how women are wicked, evil, only think of sex and are always deceiving men. Did he think this of his own mother or wife? I really don't think so.  You obviously haven't read the Guru Granth Sahib. Maybe you agree with the NKJ Kaam test ? 

।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖ਼ਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫ਼ਤਹਿ।

Please stop acting foolish. No Mahapurakh has doubted Sri Dasam Granth Sahib ji and by doing so who knows how much we will be punished at Dharam Raaj's court.

Secondly it's not like what you described at all. The Singh's and Singhni's had given their whole self to Guru Sahib and wouldn't have had lust left in them. Also if you have any lustful feelings then don't read Charitropakhyan Granth, or at least do Ardaas so Maharaaj helps you out.

And the reason for these Charitars is to show how people can be deceiving and how easily they can be deceived.

।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖ਼ਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫ਼ਤਹਿ।

[Singh1989]

11 hours ago, GavinSingh said:

ok so its like a director making a pornographic film as a test for people to see if they get turned on by the film. Do you think it might be best that he probably don't try and make it in the first place, that way he's not wasting his time, he's not thinking of kaam, or getting people to do kaam and then editing kaam, that's a lot of Kaam. Your understanding is flawed. I think It's HUGELY disrespectful to think our Dasmesh Pitha, after fighting numerous battles, gives up his whole family, starts a panth, recites the bani to Bhai Mani Singh, then finds the time to write a granth which 1/3 compromises of how women are wicked, evil, only think of sex and are always deceiving men. Did he think this of his own mother or wife? I really don't think so.  You obviously haven't read the Guru Granth Sahib. Maybe you agree with the NKJ Kaam test ? 

I believe Maharaaj went all the way to explain why to keep away from Maya. For another example, "Do not even touch alcohol bottle." If Maharaaj said "Well, I suppose u can touch only..." We Sikhs would've been obviously drinking it, too! (we're only clever to go around Rehat/ direct hukams).

SO! Do not fall for Maya! Here's why. Do not touch, pull out single hair from body, look at opposite sex in s3xual manner... It's about going to the root o the problem n pulling it out once and for all!

But yes, this Bani is for Khalsa.

[ssinghuk]

To the OP

• It seems as if you have already made up your mind.
• IF is this is NOT the case THEN Search youtube for Giani Sher Singh and watch his videos on this subject
  • I don't think any of the answers here will do justice to the response you are looking for. I maybe wrong but that's my opinion. 

[chatanga1]

On 8/12/2019 at 8:14 AM, GavinSingh said:

What's people's opinion on the author of the Dasam Granth? I read the english translations of the charitropakhyan and I've been immensely distrurbed. The stories are totally pornographic in detail. I'm really struggling to believe that Guru Gobind Singh would have the time, energy and need to translate such pornographic material. 

 

There is your first mistake. You have read the translation and RELIED on them to be 100% accurate. Because of your wholesale reliance on somebody else's opinion you are now doubting a scripture of great standing in the Sikh Panth.

What do you think is the way to correct this?

 

 

18 hours ago, GavinSingh said:

Here have a read of Chritar 3 - let me know what you think? 

 

 

Pritpal SIngh Bindra has done these translations but they are at times wildly inaccurate. I have read these and was confused by it as well. I thought I should actually do my own research into the charitars. I soon realised that Bindra, as a known opponent of Sri Dasme Patshah's Granth would have an axe to grind.

 

I feel sorry for anyone who has read bindras book book. It is nothing but misinformation. Anyone who understands the missionaries can understand why they clutch to it.

 

16 hours ago, GavinSingh said:

http://www.globalsikhstudies.net/pdf/chritro pakhyaan (vol 1) complete book.pdf

Its a real eye opener. Yes i don't have the original translation but everyone always says you can't read this section of the Dasam Granth. 

"Everyone" ? When did you take this survey and question all ALL the members of the Sikh Panth?

Global sikh studies is a missonary outfit and they have been giving out misinformation on Sri Dasme Patshah's Granth for some years now.

They do not understand the granth I believe.

 

 

12 hours ago, GavinSingh said:

ok so its like a director making a pornographic film as a test for people to see if they get turned on by the film. Do you think it might be best that he probably don't try and make it in the first place, that way he's not wasting his time, he's not thinking of kaam, or getting people to do kaam and then editing kaam, that's a lot of Kaam. Your understanding is flawed. I think It's HUGELY disrespectful to think our Dasmesh Pitha, after fighting numerous battles, gives up his whole family, starts a panth, recites the bani to Bhai Mani Singh, then finds the time to write a granth which 1/3 compromises of how women are wicked, evil, only think of sex and are always deceiving men. Did he think this of his own mother or wife? I really don't think so.  You obviously haven't read the Guru Granth Sahib. Maybe you agree with the NKJ Kaam test ? 

 

Here I disagree with you. It's not pornographic. Pornography is intended to sexually stimulate the mind and body. Sri CharitroPakhyan granth absolutely does nothing of the kind.

(2nd bolded) - I beleive that you have not read all the charitars in detail if you claim this.

 

12 hours ago, GavinSingh said:

So...... women are evil, dangerous, murderers, sexual deviants and prostitutes?, yet statistically it's much more likely that men will commit adultery than women.  I think you need to see Women in a different light, maybe through how Gurbani describes them. 

 

Who says they are? Sri CharitroPakhyan Granth certainly doesn't make any such claims.

@GavinSingh here are two links which you should read for your further understanding:

 

http://www.sikhawareness.com/topic/17474-sri-charitropakhyan-sahib-jee-series-charitar-3/

this above link will make the charitar more clear. bindra has only given a weak translation of it. He has not analysed any charitar. This is what the above link attempts to do. You are welcome to give your opinions there.

http://www.sikhawareness.com/forum/48-sri-dasam-granth-sahib/

 

In this above link, we have been looking at Sri CharitroPakhyan Granth in greater detail. Try reading some of the topic in the above link and see if you can discard the english translations, like others participants and myself did some years ago.

[GavinSingh]

Yes i pretty much have taken my understanding of the charitar from one translation, which is clumsy on behalf BUT i have watched content and read plenty of articles on both side of the argument and translations aside they talk of the same issues.   I have started to read them all bit by bit and so far about 80% have put the dangers/ deceptiveness in the woman. I will try and find another translation of the Chiritars.  You must understand  the whole reason for the Chiritars is that they are being told as a way of making the king realise the trickery of his wife so of course WOMEN are going to be made to look like deceivers in most of the stories otherwise the minister is not doing a very good job. 

Now if this the reason - Guru Gobind Singh ji in all his glory, wisdom and spiritual grace decides to put pen to paper and write these stories. He would surely understand that the reader might perceive them as how they were intended to see women as tricksters/deceivers. This simple reasoning, in my eyes makes it totally unimaginable that GGSJ would decide to translate these stories, and dedicate 1/3 of a granth to it, even if it was as a side project, it makes little sense especially as the learning gained from these stories is minuscule in comparison to the GGS.  

All stories have some learning but that isn't my argument,  I am trying to discuss if the author of the Dasam Granth is Guru Gobind Singh Ji.