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14 hours ago, RajKaregaKhalsa1 said:

।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖ਼ਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫ਼ਤਹਿ।

Please stop acting foolish. No Mahapurakh has doubted Sri Dasam Granth Sahib ji and by doing so who knows how much we will be punished at Dharam Raaj's court.

Secondly it's not like what you described at all. The Singh's and Singhni's had given their whole self to Guru Sahib and wouldn't have had lust left in them. Also if you have any lustful feelings then don't read Charitropakhyan Granth, or at least do Ardaas so Maharaaj helps you out.

And the reason for these Charitars is to show how people can be deceiving and how easily they can be deceived.

।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖ਼ਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫ਼ਤਹਿ।

Ah the Mahapurakh/Baba argument - become a learner yourself, study it, read it, make up your own mind not if your baba agrees with it or not. 

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4 hours ago, ssinghuk said:

To the OP

  • It seems as if you have already made up your mind.
  • IF is this is NOT the case THEN Search youtube for Giani Sher Singh and watch his videos on this subject
    • I don't think any of the answers here will do justice to the response you are looking for. I maybe wrong but that's my opinion. 

i've not made up my mind, i have some opinions that I am will be challenged - I 'm just trying to find a plausible reason why are dashmesh pitha would write this. 

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1 hour ago, GavinSingh said:

i've not made up my mind, i have some opinions that I am will be challenged - I 'm just trying to find a plausible reason why are dashmesh pitha would write this. 

When I saw my sons were approaching the age of physical maturity I considered it my duty to ensure that they did not fall for the users and abusers of the kalyugi world , just as I will do for my daughter . All of them will be cautioned against the different soch of other cultures  as compared to gurmat . If I tell them vaguely about stuff then they will get stuck when girls will approach them  or other guys try to influence them to act in an antigurmat manner and are more likely to believe their peers rather than their folks .

Guru Gobind Singh ji is speaking plainly about the true crassness of human behaviour in absence of gurmat , the main story is about a dirty old man King who marries someone his son's age because of lust, greed and ahankar, the infidelity of the woman's mind because she is forced to marry  such an old man and her murderous intent because of  her anger at her ego being hurt by a virtuous son's refusal.

All players barring the son and the minister are corrupted... The minister is wise because he can see the truth of the situation and is trying to change the mind of the King through cautionary tales .

Dasam Granth banian were complete BEFORE Khalsa Sajna diwas  so do not be in doubt about  authenicity , also Guru Tej Bahadur ji had given advice to a pre-ten year old Gobind Rai on kaam also , this kind of victorian prudishness is not part of sikhi , we see the reality and learn to live in our world following our path..

 

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5 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

When I saw my sons were approaching the age of physical maturity I considered it my duty to ensure that they did not fall for the users and abusers of the kalyugi world , just as I will do for my daughter . All of them will be cautioned against the different soch of other cultures  as compared to gurmat . If I tell them vaguely about stuff then they will get stuck when girls will approach them  or other guys try to influence them to act in an antigurmat manner and are more likely to believe their peers rather than their folks .

Guru Gobind Singh ji is speaking plainly about the true crassness of human behaviour in absence of gurmat , the main story is about a dirty old man King who marries someone his son's age because of lust, greed and ahankar, the infidelity of the woman's mind because she is forced to marry  such an old man and her murderous intent because of  her anger at her ego being hurt by a virtuous son's refusal.

All players barring the son and the minister are corrupted... The minister is wise because he can see the truth of the situation and is trying to change the mind of the King through cautionary tales .

Dasam Granth banian were complete BEFORE Khalsa Sajna diwas  so do not be in doubt about  authenicity , also Guru Tej Bahadur ji had given advice to a pre-ten year old Gobind Rai on kaam also , this kind of victorian prudishness is not part of sikhi , we see the reality and learn to live in our world following our path..

 

Ok. i'm gonna ask you to think long and hard, don't be hurt by this but really reflect on this. Sit. Ponder. If Guru Gobind Singh Ji wanted to impart on us some wisdom about Kaam or about the treacheries of the world especially within the sexes, would it not have been beneficial for him to have written a clear Rehit just dedicated to sexual conduct or did he believe the clear messages contained within the GGS would be sufficient.  You might argue that people learn better through stories so thats why he did it but when you can't even read a large portion of those stories to your daughter or son whats the point. Its not prudishness - its trying to work out what would be the point?  Statistically men are more likely to commit adultery but thats not the case in these stories.   

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3 minutes ago, GavinSingh said:

Ok. i'm gonna ask you to think long and hard, don't be hurt by this but really reflect on this. Sit. Ponder. If Guru Gobind Singh Ji wanted to impart on us some wisdom about Kaam or about the treacheries of the world especially within the sexes, would it not have been beneficial for him to have written a clear Rehit just dedicated to sexual conduct or did he believe the clear messages contained within the GGS would be sufficient.  You might argue that people learn better through stories so thats why he did it but when you can't even read a large portion of those stories to your daughter or son whats the point. Its not prudishness - its trying to work out what would be the point?  Statistically men are more likely to commit adultery but thats not the case in these stories.   

He did give rehit , it is bujjar kurehit to do fornication and adultery . It is not permissible to get revenge by raping like others , he said we are designed to be the paragon of Manhood/womanhood high character

Guru Teg Bahadur ji also said apart from your dharam patni , all rest of world is sister, mother, grandmother, daughter .

But the truth is despite discipline of rehits given , some singhs still strayed  even Guru ji had to prevent a singh from committing adultery with a prostitute  the sakhi is written up. So there was a need of these cautions.

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5 hours ago, GavinSingh said:

Yes i pretty much have taken my understanding of the charitar from one translation, which is clumsy on behalf

Well there is only one way forward from this misunderstanding.

 

5 hours ago, GavinSingh said:

BUT i have watched content and read plenty of articles on both side of the argument and translations aside they talk of the same issues. 

What are the issues according to your own understanding?

 

5 hours ago, GavinSingh said:

I have started to read them all bit by bit and so far about 80% have put the dangers/ deceptiveness in the woman.

"all but by bit"? I have been studying the charitars in detail for about 2 years and have still only got to around 100.

Now if the 80% is one side, there is still 20% on the other side isn't there?

And if Guru Sahib (re)wrote even ONE charitar about the bravery/intelligence of women, then even that would be enough for a Sikh.

Like in Guru Granth Sahib there is only ONE shabad "so kiou manda akhiye ...." Isn't that ONE occurence enough for a Sikh?

 

5 hours ago, GavinSingh said:

You must understand  the whole reason for the Chiritars is that they are being told as a way of making the king realise the trickery of his wife so of course WOMEN are going to be made to look like deceivers in most of the stories otherwise the minister is not doing a very good job. 

Thats no way near the truth. There are several reasons for the charitars. No of them involve castigating eternally a gender.

 

5 hours ago, GavinSingh said:

Now if this the reason - Guru Gobind Singh ji in all his glory, wisdom and spiritual grace decides to put pen to paper and write these stories. He would surely understand that the reader might perceive them as how they were intended to see women as tricksters/deceivers.

Guru Sahib performed his duty as ordered by Akal Purkh. But Guru Sahib is not responsible for your or my learning and perception. That is up to you and I. If you say that "women are percieved as tricksters" it is because YOU percieve them as tricksters. I haven't percieved "women as tricksters" after reading Sri CharitroPakhyan Granth because I don't perceive them as such.

 

 

5 hours ago, GavinSingh said:

This simple reasoning, in my eyes makes it totally unimaginable that GGSJ would decide to translate these stories, and dedicate 1/3 of a granth to it, even if it was as a side project, it makes little sense especially as the learning gained from these stories is minuscule in comparison to the GGS.  

Well to be fair, everything in  learning is miniscule in comparison to SGGS. I mean you went to school, learnt english and maths and science yes? But these subjects are miniscule in comparison to SGGS aren't they?

 

So does that mean you will start a thread on how we should abandon Maths, english and science as the learning is miniscule compared to SGGS and we should concentrate on SGGS study only?

 

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1 hour ago, GavinSingh said:

Ok. i'm gonna ask you to think long and hard, don't be hurt by this but really reflect on this.

Sure. If you agree to the same.

 

 

1 hour ago, GavinSingh said:

If Guru Gobind Singh Ji wanted to impart on us some wisdom about Kaam or about the treacheries of the world especially within the sexes, would it not have been beneficial for him to have written a clear Rehit just dedicated to sexual conduct or did he believe the clear messages contained within the GGS would be sufficient. 

Well lets come to something more simple like the "Singh" in your name, Gavin Singh. Why didn't Guru Sahib write a clear rahit about this? Or is it written in SGGS to keep "Singh" in your name Gavin Singh?

Kaam for your info, is the most powerful of the 5 chors and has brought mighty men to their knees. In Kalyug, kaam is the most powerful obstacle in the path of humans. If Guru Sahib wrote about it in a volume that reflected it's seriousness, why is that wrong?

 

1 hour ago, GavinSingh said:

You might argue that people learn better through stories so thats why he did it but when you can't even read a large portion of those stories to your daughter or son whats the point. Its not prudishness - its trying to work out what would be the point?

 

Ok, but what about the lines in SGGS that contain the words "<banned word filter activated>/semen/breasts..."

 

Would you be able to talk about these to your parents/siblings/children?

 

If not, why not? Or should we think that Guru Sahib has made a mistake and we must correct those mistakes?

 

1 hour ago, GavinSingh said:

Statistically men are more likely to commit adultery but thats not the case in these stories.   

Well statistically all the Gurus, Bhagats and authors of SGGS were men. Does that mean that Guru Arjan Sahib didn't trust women were worthy enough to make any contribution to SGGS?

Statistically men are more likely to die in wars, in workplace accidents, in road accidents etc. What does it mean?.

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7 hours ago, GavinSingh said:

Yes i pretty much have taken my understanding of the charitar from one translation, which is clumsy on behalf BUT i have watched content and read plenty of articles on both side of the argument and translations aside they talk of the same issues.

How many of those people producing that content have undertaken proper Vidya? Do you know what their credentials are? Education in Sikhi comes in stages; there is a curriculum which has syllabi. We don't just jump into a text which is advanced because, well, it is beyond our comprehension. If you were an ESOL student would you attempt a PhD in English Literature? The answer is no. This is exactly what the critics do though.

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"the stories are totally pornographic in detail"

How can you expect to understand such an esoteric work when you're thinking on such a low level?

7 hours ago, GavinSingh said:

I have started to read them all bit by bit and so far about 80% have put the dangers/ deceptiveness in the woman.

That's because you have already filled yourself with bias through those videos and articles. They have coloured your understanding of Charitopakhyan. You obviously know English which means you went to school and so must have analysed books and poems...you know that it's not a straightforward task and rarely black and white (pretty sure you had lightbulb moments, no?). If I told you what I assumed a particular poem was about beforehand, you would read it as such. Now imagine if I had no qualifications to be providing you with an analysis but I still did, your opinions and assumptions would be badly flawed. Pre-conceived notions are never good.

You've been reading it with a singular (false) viewpoint without a grasp on the original text or its language.

7 hours ago, GavinSingh said:

Now if this the reason - Guru Gobind Singh ji in all his glory, wisdom and spiritual grace decides to put pen to paper and write these stories. He would surely understand that the reader might perceive them as how they were intended to see women as tricksters/deceivers. This simple reasoning, in my eyes makes it totally unimaginable that GGSJ would decide to translate these stories, and dedicate 1/3 of a granth to it, even if it was as a side project, it makes little sense especially as the learning gained from these stories is minuscule in comparison to the GGS.  

It isn't the reason lol. You are just reading it like that: clearly without any foundational studies whatsoever. If you go back to my first paragraph you'll eventually realise what I'm saying is that Sri Dasam Granth Sahib Ji isn't for just any tom, d!ck, and harry; ones needs a certain avastha to fathom its content. Satguru Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji knows all which is why they refused a request to merge their Granth with Sri Adi Granth Sahib (later Satguru), but yet still gave Gurgaddi to SDGSJ:

ਸੁਣੋ ਭਾਈ ਸਿਖੋ । ਐਸਾ ਸੰਤ ਬਾਬਾ ਨਾਨਕ ਸਚੁ ਜਾਨੋ । ਦਸੇ ਮਹਲ ਇਕ ਬਾਬਾ ਨਾਨਕ ਜੀ ਪਛਾਨੋ ।
Listen Sikh Brothers! Recognize Baba Nanak as a true Saint, this is truth. In the ten forms [10 Guru's], recognize Baba Nanak in all of them.

ਦਸਵਾਂ ਪਾਤਸ਼ਾਹ ਗੱਦੀ ਗੁਰਿਆਈ ਦੀ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਨੂੰ ਦੇ ਹੈ ਗਿਆ ।
The Tenth King has given the Guruship to the Granth Sahib.

ਬਿਨਾਂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਕੋਈ ਹੋਰ ਨ ਜਾਣੇ, ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਹੈਨਿ ਦੁਇ ਸਕੇ ਭਾਈ ।
Without the Granth there is nothing else, the Granth Sahib has its form in two brothers.

ਇਕ ਹੈ ਵਡਾ ਇਕ ਛੋਟਾ ਕਹਾਈ ।੨੬੫।
[Recognize] One as larger [brother, which is Adi Granth] and one as smaller [brother, Dasam Granth].

ਸੰਮਤੁ ਸੋਲ੍ਹਾ ਸੈ ਅਠਵੰਜਾ ਸੇ ਗਏ । ਤਬ ਆਦਿ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਜਿ ਜਨਮੁ ਲਏ ।
In 1658 Bikrami the Adi Granth took birth [was created].

ਗੁਰੂ ਅਰਜਨ ਜੀ ਕੇ ਧਾਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜਨਮੁ ਹੈ ਧਾਰਾ ।
In the house of Guru Arjan Dev Ji the Granth Sahib took its birth.

ਦਾਇਆ ਸੀ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ, ਲਿਖਾਰੀ ਖਿਡਾਵਣਹਾਰਾ ।੨੬੬।
Bhai Gurdas, with the blessings [of Guru Arjan], was the scribe.

ਛੋਟਾ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਜੀ, ਜਨਮੇ ਦਸਵੇਂ ਪਾਤਸ਼ਾਹ ਕੇ ਧਾਮ ।
The smaller [brother] Granth, took birth in the Tenth King's house.

ਸੰਮਤੁ ਸਤਾਰਾਂ ਸੈ ਪਚਵੰਜਾ, ਬਹੁਤ ਖਿਡਾਵੇ-ਲਿਖਾਰੇ ਨਾਮ ।
In 1755 Bikrami [it was born], [Guru Ji wrote it] under many names [Das Gobind, Syaam, Ram, Kaal etc].

ਸਾਹਿਬ ਨੂੰ ਸੀ ਪਿਆਰਾ । ਹੱਥੀ ਲਿਖਿਆ, ਖਿਡਾਇਆ ।
[Guru Gobind Singh] Sahib had much love for this scripture, He himself hand wrote it.

ਸਿਖਾਂ ਕੀਤੀ ਅਰਦਾਸੁ, ਜੀ ਅਗਲੇ ਨਾਲਿ ਚਾਹੀਏ ਰਲਾਇਆ ।੨੬੭।
Sikhs did a plea [towards Guru Gobind Singh] to merge Adi Granth with Dasam Granth.

ਬਚਨ ਕੀਤਾ, "ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਹੈ ਉਹੁ, ਏਹ ਅਸਾਡੀ ਹੈ ਖੇਡ ।"
[Guru Gobind Singh Ji] said, "Granth Sahib is the Adi, and [Dasam Granth] is my play."

ਨਾਲ ਨ ਮਿਲਾਇਆ ਆਹਾ ਪਿਆਰਾ, ਕਉਨ ਜਾਣੇ ਭੇਦ ।
The wonderous beloved Guru Gobind Singh did not merge them together, who can understand this secret of Guru Sahib? [of why they were kept separate]

ਸੋ, ਦੋਨੋ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰ ਕਰ ਜਾਨੋ ।
So, recognize both Granth Sahib's as Guru and brothers.

ਵਡਾ ਹੈ ਟਿਕਾ ਗੁਰੂ, ਗੁਟਕੇ-ਪੋਥੀਆਂ ਪੁਤ੍ਰ ਪੋਤ੍ਰੇ ਕਰਿ ਪਛਾਨੋ ।੨੬੮।
The larger [Adi Granth] received the Tika [Guruship], the smaller gutka-pothian recognize them as sons and grandson.

Bansavalinama, 1769

 

You say that the learning from Charitropakhyan is miniscule compared to SGGS so I'm assuming you have done Santhiya including grammar anaylsis (Vyakaran), etymology analysis (Nirukta), learned the historical contexts (Uthanka) of all Gurbani and the associated sakhis (Ithiaas), learned the complete process of doing arth, and on top of all this truly understood the message of Gurbani?

But hell even without all this, if you actually put some effort into understanding Adi Bani, you would realise that so many of the messages contained within it are elaborated upon in Dasam Bani including Charitropakhyan.

I shouldn't have to mentioned this but I'm sure you know what Kaam, Krodh, Lobh, Moh, Ahankaar is - we can all say "ohh yeahh I know all about these, I know we should fight them!" but this presumes that you have life figured out and don't need examples to put things in context for you. However, this is the "glory, wisdom, and spiritual grace" of Satguru; They know how our buddhi works, they know what moorakhs we are, and they know what manukhi jeevan entails; they know that this is Kalyug, and hence have provided wisdom in a format which pertains to real life.

I can easily provide you with a list of rules that says don't do this or that, and I can even provide you with reasoning for each of those rules which is how Maryada is formed. But Guru Sahib knows that in order to apply these practically, such matters need supplementary material. The human race hasn't gotten this far just by merely following some rules; it's gotten this far because of people who were ignorant of those rules/broke those rules and what transpired as a result i.e. examples, lessons learned. This is how we've become intellectually deveoloped. This is how law is created, this is how medical research has lead to discoveries to name a couple.

Remember, Sikhs are supposed to stay in Sadh Sangat, stay away from certain situations. Guru Sahib is giving us all this Gyaan as a preventative measure because we will undoubtedly find ourselves in these types of situations - and - so we understand the human condition lest we wish to become entangled in Kalyug even if we follow the rules. Maharaaj doesn't want us to go out, get ill and then take medicine (even though many do this), they want us to take the vaccine - and this is what Uche Suche Gursikhs do, this is how pure-beings guard themselves against adharam and avidya....their jeevan doesn't involve them always going out, getting burned and then saying "Oh I learned that the hard way".

Now lets say for example that someone grew up in a good sheltered environment, with a good family, and with good strict morals and values, in a nice community. Now this person is an adult, he has no one around him, no family or friends and has to go out into the big scary world. Remember he was a good kid, stuck to the rules, never did anything bad, it didn't even cross his mind, none of these topics ever came up, no examples, no stories or lessons. He just followed the rules because he had to. How on earth would he know of the sorts of things in Charitropakhyan (which are not only sexual)? He's never heard them before or how they play out in real life. He has no examples of this. No way to relate. How will he guard himself and be smart? How will he even know he's being played in some way? How will he know what to look out for? Oh yeah, Satguru!

If Guru Sahib can't talk to us about these matters then who can?!! Who are we supposed to turn to?!! Guru Sahib imparts spiritual wisdom and worldly. Dhan Kalgidhar Swami!

If we take a look outside of Sikhi you would see the same sort of thing. In the Bhagavad Gita, Krishan Bhagwan imparts many deep spiritual concepts and teachings to Arjuna; many of these aren't unlike the messages within Gurbani. In order to understand these teachings further and with context one must look at Mahabharat, which contains morals and examples. If one looked at Mahabharat and skipped the Gita (the spiritual foundation), it would be a useless endeavour - which is what you seem to be doing.

Krishan Bhagwan also says those who find faults with the teachings, are lacking in knowledge and have no sense of discrimination/discernment (between pure and the impure, the righteous and the unrighteous, Guru and Sikh), thus they disregard teachings and bring about their own ruin. They have no sharda, and due to ahankaar, kaam, krodh, whatever the intellect cannot comprehend at present, it often rejects as incorrect. They are lacking in Nimrata and trust in the Guru.

The same is echoed in Sikhi; there are countless Shabads that refer to the above as well as what one gains from the Guru's teachings and wisdom. You should look it up.

7 hours ago, GavinSingh said:

All stories have some learning but that isn't my argument,  I am trying to discuss if the author of the Dasam Granth is Guru Gobind Singh Ji.

That's a fallacious argument. You can't verify authorship without examining the content (which you are blatantly not ready for) and/or looking at historical references (which I have provided).

If you enrolled in a traditional Sikh centre of learning, a Vidyala, you would have the answers to your questions. There is need for a teacher, an Ustaad/Gurdev to walk you through everything and to frame everything for you correctly.

And before you drag Baba's and Mahapurkhs into this, you should go and look at their educational record.

Nothing is gained by casting doubt on Guru Sahib. It's your own ignorance and inability to understand that is leading you to these conclusions.

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when you can't even read a large portion of those stories to your daughter or son whats the point

That's because that's not how one learns this. It isn't for kids to begin with lol. Do your parents teach advanced sociology or moral philosophy classes at your house for you? I think not.

Even still, I could argue that Guru Sahib is our father ☺️

Gurbani has no inherent restrictions regarding who has access to it (caste, gender etc), it's for everyone, but the manner and circumstances in which it is transmitted and communicated has limitations and regulations.

 

I'm at a loss...first people say "where does it say that", then they say "why does it say that and what's the reason" - You provide the reasoning but now the problem is there's too much detail for their sensitivities! Lmao!

Having said all this, some people just simply have too strong a Victorian/Christian attitude to anything even remotely sexual in nature...."God forbid ess eee exx is mentioned in our religion, blimey!". It's pointless for these people to approach anything of this sort until they have shed this mindset.

 

Maharaaj Samatt Bakshan

Gurbar Akaal!

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1 hour ago, chatanga1 said:

Well there is only one way forward from this misunderstanding.

 

What are the issues according to your own understanding?

 

"all but by bit"? I have been studying the charitars in detail for about 2 years and have still only got to around 100.

Now if the 80% is one side, there is still 20% on the other side isn't there?

And if Guru Sahib (re)wrote even ONE charitar about the bravery/intelligence of women, then even that would be enough for a Sikh.

Like in Guru Granth Sahib there is only ONE shabad "so kiou manda akhiye ...." Isn't that ONE occurence enough for a Sikh?

 

Thats no way near the truth. There are several reasons for the charitars. No of them involve castigating eternally a gender.

 

Guru Sahib performed his duty as ordered by Akal Purkh. But Guru Sahib is not responsible for your or my learning and perception. That is up to you and I. If you say that "women are percieved as tricksters" it is because YOU percieve them as tricksters. I haven't percieved "women as tricksters" after reading Sri CharitroPakhyan Granth because I don't perceive them as such.

 

 

Well to be fair, everything in  learning is miniscule in comparison to SGGS. I mean you went to school, learnt english and maths and science yes? But these subjects are miniscule in comparison to SGGS aren't they?

 

So does that mean you will start a thread on how we should abandon Maths, english and science as the learning is miniscule compared to SGGS and we should concentrate on SGGS study only?

 

Isn't Chandi Chiratar such a positivity filled charitar, showing her constancy, braveness, her strength tempered with humility as she asks Akal Purakh's help?

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    • yeh it's true, we shouldn't be lazy and need to learn jhatka shikaar. It doesn't help some of grew up in surrounding areas like Slough and Southall where everyone thought it was super bad for amrit dharis to eat meat, and they were following Sant babas and jathas, and instead the Singhs should have been normalising jhatka just like the recent world war soldiers did. We are trying to rectifiy this and khalsa should learn jhatka.  But I am just writing about bhog for those that are still learning rehit. As I explained, there are all these negative influences in the panth that talk against rehit, but this shouldn't deter us from taking khanda pahul, no matter what level of rehit we are!
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    • Yeah, Sikhs should do bhog of food they eat. But the point of bhog is to only do bhog of food which is fit to be presented to Maharaj. It's not maryada to do bhog of khulla maas and pretend it's OK to eat. It's not. Come on, bro, you should know better than to bring this Sakhi into it. Is this Sikh in the restaurant accompanied by Guru Gobind Singh ji? Is he fighting a dharam yudh? Or is he merely filling his belly with the nearest restaurant?  Please don't make a mockery of our puratan Singhs' sacrifices by comparing them to lazy Sikhs who eat khulla maas.
    • Seriously?? The Dhadi is trying to be cute. For those who didn't get it, he said: "Some say Maharaj killed bakras (goats). Some say he cut the heads of the Panj Piyaras. The truth is that they weren't goats. It was she-goats (ਬਕਰੀਆਂ). He jhatka'd she-goats. Not he-goats." Wow. This is possibly the stupidest thing I've ever heard in relation to Sikhi.
    • Instead of a 9 inch or larger kirpan, take a smaller kirpan and put it (without gatra) inside your smaller turban and tie the turban tightly. This keeps a kirpan on your person without interfering with the massage or alarming the masseuse. I'm not talking about a trinket but rather an actual small kirpan that fits in a sheath (you'll have to search to find one). As for ahem, "problems", you could get a male masseuse. I don't know where you are, but in most places there are professional masseuses who actually know what they are doing and can really relieve your muscle pains.
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