Why are very unclothed girls running university sikh societies?

[puzzled]

4 minutes ago, RajKaregaKhalsa1 said:

Yeah Here's another Pangti, note corruption and wickedness are also vikaars like Kaam.

ਬਾਬਾ ਹੋਰੁ ਪੈਨਣੁ ਖੁਸੀ ਖੁਆਰੁ ॥

 

O Baba, the pleasures of other clothes are false.

 

ਜਿਤੁ ਪੈਧੈ ਤਨੁ ਪੀੜੀਐ ਮਨ ਮਹਿ ਚਲਹਿ ਵਿਕਾਰ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

 

Wearing them, the body is ruined, and wickedness and corruption enter into the mind. ||1||Pause||

Yes  that's the one I was referring to lol  couldn't find it,  

So you shouldn't wear clothes where corrupt thoughts enter the mind. So the person who is wearing the outfit is responsible to wear clothes which do not attract negative attention.

[jkvlondon]

3 hours ago, puzzled said:

Yes  that's the one I was referring to lol  couldn't find it,  

So you shouldn't wear clothes where corrupt thoughts enter the mind. So the person who is wearing the outfit is responsible to wear clothes which do not attract negative attention.

those kind of clothes fill the wearer with ahankar(of owning , of one's looks), moh( to body, to possessions), kaam and if not noticed by intended audience Krodh , for the observer it creates kaam principally, and if spurned krodh, moh, kapat to attain that person even lobh for things to impress and once achieved ahankar . It is a real mess , best to keep eyes under control and not wear such clothes

[MisterrSingh]

Only the Sikh religion affords its so-called adherents the luxury of espousing its tenets and norms to a rapt audience without the individual in question ever having bothered to LEARN THE LANGUAGE IN WHICH ITS HOLY SCRIPTURES WERE COMPOSED AND WRITTEN!

In any other field of learning, such a person would be dismissed as an imbecilic charlatan commenting on issues they have no business talking about, but we seem, collectively, to be tolerating this increasingly worrying behaviour.

[learningkaur]

11 hours ago, kuldipk123 said:

Men have always carried out their responsibly of being decent women haven’t! 

[learningkaur]

I think the gurdwareh should actually just put signs up like they do in Dubai mall for what is and what isn’t acceptable... or do regular talks to explain why sensible dress is required. 
I have a relative who always wears a dress above her knees and tights instead of a suit at every path- I can’t explain how much it irritates me but I don’t say anything to keep the peace. Plus confused why her mother or mother inlaw don't give her uckle if she hasn’t got it herself.

[Sat1]

16 hours ago, kuldipk123 said:

You seem ardent enough in your opinions about everything including good souls and bad souls.  Can you please do the courtesy to define what a ‘good soul ‘ is ? Are you God? Are you antaryami? Can you tell what I am feeling or about to say? Can you guess what I ask for in my prayers daily? Do you even know if I say my prayers ever? 
 

You really need to stop taking everything personally. The hoochies that I see daily @the gurdwaras and everywhere else have matching actions to accompany their outfits! They are tarty beyond description! 
 

Define ‘ civilised ways’ then? Crude people don’t behave in civilised ways! They are loud, thick and stupid, egoistical, attention seeking and you can imagine how unsightly they look!  It’s due to their crude thinking they dress the way they do, after all, we dress to express our inner selves as well as to give decent and suitable coverage to our physical bodies! We dress to express and cover ourselves from the elements and prying eyes! 
 

Women are not objects they are human. Our Gurus assigned equality to both sexes. Men have always carried out their responsibly of being decent women haven’t! They are the ones that impose upon men to treat them like SEX OBJECTS. If men don’t treat them as such they turn WILD!  Grow up and take some responsibility and stop moaning!

If the Gurus were walking on earth right now,  you would be wearing a turban or some other kind of head covering and decent punjabi suit when going for their darshans, unless you belonged to very poor family with no money to afford decent clothes! 

 

Don’t ever make the mistake that the Gurus are not watching you, whether you are inside the gurdwara or outside of it! God is omnipresent. So dress decent.  Keep your head covered always, and don’t show too much skin. In other words respect yourself and don’t abuse what God has given you. Don’t be gawaars!  Gawaar thinking minds act gawaar and express their gawaar inner selves by dressing in gawaar outfits! Also don’t forget, gawaars also eat gawaar food  and drink gawaar things!

 

ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS!
 

 

What a ridiculous, sexist post. Have you even reread what you’ve just written? Some people on here are unbelievably sexist. You’re turning Sikhi into a form of Islam. Grow up and understand that men and women are equal. You clearly don’t see women as your sisters. Control your own lust and shortcomings.
 

I’m tired of trying to reason with insecure sexist men on here, it’s such a waste of time and energy. Carry and and learn as it’s willed for you to learn. Good luck.

[Jonny101]

20 minutes ago, Sat1 said:

What a ridiculous, sexist post. Have you even reread what you’ve just written? Some people on here are unbelievably sexist. You’re turning Sikhi into a form of Islam. Grow up and understand that men and women are equal. And control your own lust and shortcomings. 

Sat1 ji, I don't see what kuldip ji said that you would consider sexist. A Gurdwara is not a place for inappropriate dressing sense. Bani has made it clear that a woman who is proud of her body and shows off her body by dressing inappropriately is a Gavaar since that body will one day be turned to ash. This is not sexist, it is the truth.  Does it make sense to wear skintight leggings in a Gurdwara and matha tek in front of the congregation? Your concept of equality between the sexes is that a woman should be able to do all the things (good or bad) that a man does and in this way you justify women dressing inappropriately. This is post modern nihilism of the west. We don't subscribe to this line of thinking. A Sikh lives according to Maryadha. The ideal dress for a Sikh is Bana, but if one wears something other than Bana it should not be inappropriate.

[imhosingh]

we need to stop blokes wearing tight stuff too and to dress in a dignified way. Its been my sad experience many times in the Gurdwara to be 'presented' with the backside 'crack' of the bloke sitting in front of me. You know what I'm talking about 

[Not2Cool2Argue]

On 8/16/2020 at 11:59 AM, Sat1 said:

Your real test is looking past the external appearance, because it means nothing. The internal appearance is just as important. Guru Gobind Singh Ji dressed as a Prince, and yet had the heart of one with Nothing. The very fact that these issues upset you so much, show there’s something wrong with you. 
 

A man wearing tight clothing will also attract attention to himself. But if I’m in a Gurdwarra and a man in tight clothing walks in, my first reaction is to have No reaction. Because I’d see him as a brother. A woman in tight clothing, you should see as a Sister. 
 

Any woman, a prostitute, a dancer, Beyoncé. Sister. Other than your partner. The reason being that we are All Gods kids and he loves us Equally. If he didn’t, the prostitute wouldn’t wake up in the morning. He’d deprive her of the sun, her clothes, her life. But He Is everyone everything everywhere, as much as you don’t want to see or acknowledge it. Until you stop seeing women as Objects of desire, you will never evolve your psychology or see females with an equal eye as the Gurus did. 
 

The fault is with the men who fantasize sexually... and women’s envy. The entire Middle East covers up for your reasoning, that men supposedly have no self control. How is that the woman’s problem. The Gurus spoke out against sexism, not condone and encourage it.

 

Control your Own lust, evolve your own psychology and move forward on your Own path. 

 

You are right. This is internal rehit. Where one controls thoughts and vikaars. 

This is very important on the spiritual path. 

But there is also external rehit. And there is also the worldly path. As sikhs we are meant to be successful in both. 

You cant tell spiritual beginners, that nothing matters. Everything and Everyone is one. 

It will not enlighten them but leave them lost and defenseless against maya and the predatory ppl. 

This is what the west is doing, telling kids there is no gender, its all a man made construct. This leaves kids lost and confused. 

Money is also a man made concept. But very real and important. 

Once kids understand gender, money and how it works in the world. Only then can you explain its real value is nothing and how ephemeral it is. 

Similarily, external rehit is important. It helps with the internal rehit esp in the beginning when the internal rehit is weak. The states you are talking about are goal posts where we hope to be someday. Seeing everyone as brother, sisters, seeing the one in all. They are not the beginning. Of course we should strive for that, but we will fail many times. 

Many sakhis illustrate that the gurus encouraged external rehit even in spiritually advanced people.

1. Baba Budha ji had reached brahmgian and sikhs complained that baba budha ji no longer came to the river to do ishnaan. Guruji showed the sikhs that ganga itself came to bathe babaji. But still guruji told babaji  that he should still go to the river to fo ishnaan. even though he did not need it, rehit was important to keep up. So as to not discourage other sikhs on the paath and to follow the gurus hukum. 

2. The third guru had outlawed veils for woman. And stated all women must uncover their face when doing darshan. Some princess did not follow this rule and she faced dire consequences. (From what i remember she went crazy). So you see the Guru did care about personal appearances. And telling women not to wear a veil was huge as it was common in hindus and muslims.

Lest you think this supports your view:

3. When Mata Bhago reached brahm gian, she woukd wear a kasher and nothing else. Guru ji also commanded her to cover herself, even though she was beyond the body and had no care of it. Guruji said its important to cover up. 

Also, while we control our lust, evolve our psychology and move forward, its important to get young people to ask themselves why they are following harmful societal trends. Why they think dressing inappropriately is important to them, what motivated them?

Because we have a duty to not only our soul, but to the panth as well. To help it stay niara (unique) from society and in chardi kaka ( uplifted from the maladies that affect normal society)

[Sat1]

On 8/20/2020 at 1:40 AM, Not2Cool2Argue said:

You are right. This is internal rehit. Where one controls thoughts and vikaars. 

This is very important on the spiritual path. 

But there is also external rehit. And there is also the worldly path. As sikhs we are meant to be successful in both. 

You cant tell spiritual beginners, that nothing matters. Everything and Everyone is one. 

It will not enlighten them but leave them lost and defenseless against maya and the predatory ppl. 

This is what the west is doing, telling kids there is no gender, its all a man made construct. This leaves kids lost and confused. 

Money is also a man made concept. But very real and important. 

Once kids understand gender, money and how it works in the world. Only then can you explain its real value is nothing and how ephemeral it is. 

Similarily, external rehit is important. It helps with the internal rehit esp in the beginning when the internal rehit is weak. The states you are talking about are goal posts where we hope to be someday. Seeing everyone as brother, sisters, seeing the one in all. They are not the beginning. Of course we should strive for that, but we will fail many times. 

Many sakhis illustrate that the gurus encouraged external rehit even in spiritually advanced people.

1. Baba Budha ji had reached brahmgian and sikhs complained that baba budha ji no longer came to the river to do ishnaan. Guruji showed the sikhs that ganga itself came to bathe babaji. But still guruji told babaji  that he should still go to the river to fo ishnaan. even though he did not need it, rehit was important to keep up. So as to not discourage other sikhs on the paath and to follow the gurus hukum. 

2. The third guru had outlawed veils for woman. And stated all women must uncover their face when doing darshan. Some princess did not follow this rule and she faced dire consequences. (From what i remember she went crazy). So you see the Guru did care about personal appearances. And telling women not to wear a veil was huge as it was common in hindus and muslims.

Lest you think this supports your view:

3. When Mata Bhago reached brahm gian, she woukd wear a kasher and nothing else. Guru ji also commanded her to cover herself, even though she was beyond the body and had no care of it. Guruji said its important to cover up. 

Also, while we control our lust, evolve our psychology and move forward, its important to get young people to ask themselves why they are following harmful societal trends. Why they think dressing inappropriately is important to them, what motivated them?

Because we have a duty to not only our soul, but to the panth as well. To help it stay niara (unique) from society and in chardi kaka ( uplifted from the maladies that affect normal society)

Nice post. 
 

However, how much skin are these women really showing, and are you the Guru to dictate what they do. Humans are free to do what they want. Obviously walking around in a bra and nickers is wrong. But dictating that women cover their arms and legs etc, is wrong. That’s a very Muslim way of thinking. Women in India have historically worn Tiny saris etc. And who cares what they do. There is taking it too far Ie walking around in your underwear, and there isn’t. But the internal rehit is just as important. Guru Ji wasn’t saying cover up completely, he was saying don’t walk around in your undergarments.