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elite have been ruling over the rest of us for 1000s yrs.  i reckon all these royal bloodlines come from the same people and are all related. 

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Communism is good in theory but has practically failed.

On the other hand capitalism has failed too.

Humans need to find a new system somewhere between communism and capitalism. 

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On 10/2/2019 at 11:33 PM, shastarSingh said:

Communism is good in theory but has practically failed.

On the other hand capitalism has failed too.

Humans need to find a new system somewhere between communism and capitalism. 

What about social democracy like that practiced in Scandinavian countries (Norway, Sweden) etc 

A system that is capitalistic in business but has welfare programs that take care of all. Like free healthcare, education, unemployment benefits and High tax rate on the wealthy?

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6 hours ago, Not2Cool2Argue said:

What about social democracy like that practiced in Scandinavian countries (Norway, Sweden) etc 

A system that is capitalistic in business but has welfare programs that take care of all. Like free healthcare, education, unemployment benefits and High tax rate on the wealthy?

Karl Marx gave a beautiful idea of having democracy in the economic sector.

Instead of board of governors consisting of a few people, the entire work force gets a vote in the decision making activities.

Many people confuse Marxism and communism.

Karl Marx never said that private sector shud be abolished. He wanted to have democracy in the economic domain.

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Another thing that shud be done is to have an upper limit on the earnings of the employer. For example the employer can only earn atmost ten times the salary of the lowest paid employee.

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Capitalism creates way too much economic inequality. 

If u take the wealth of the 61 most rich people on earth, u can properly give 3.5 billion people good life, shelter food and clothes. 

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2 hours ago, shastarSingh said:

Karl Marx gave a beautiful idea of having democracy in the economic sector.

Instead of board of governors consisting of a few people, the entire work force gets a vote in the decision making activities.

Many people confuse Marxism and communism.

Karl Marx never said that private sector shud be abolished. He wanted to have democracy in the economic domain.

marxism is responsible for deaths of 100 of millions on this planet it is just a system to set up the world for elites to rule over . Ever read the history of the russian and chinese revolutions ?

you can see the more equal than some in both countries, all systems capitalism, marxism  and comunism are utterly flawed and destructive . Anarchism of Guru Sahiban is the true solution where we take only what is needed , after we have earnt it and sharing our resources with others so all are cared for, answering to no master class or false authority . The environment and animals are protected and cared for and peace and diplomacy is the main approach not imperialistic empire building.

athenian democracy relied on slavery to generating income so also not what we want .

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22 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

marxism is responsible for deaths of 100 of millions on this planet it is just a system to set up the world for elites to rule over . Ever read the history of the russian and chinese revolutions ?

you can see the more equal than some in both countries, all systems capitalism, marxism  and comunism are utterly flawed and destructive . Anarchism of Guru Sahiban is the true solution where we take only what is needed , after we have earnt it and sharing our resources with others so all are cared for, answering to no master class or false authority . The environment and animals are protected and cared for and peace and diplomacy is the main approach not imperialistic empire building.

athenian democracy relied on slavery to generating income so also not what we want .

Thanks for the reply. I'm here to learn.

From what little I have read about Marxism I found it good. To say that marxism was responsible for  killing of millions in Soviet union  is equivalent to saying christianity was responsible for killing of jews during world wars. There is difference between Marxism and communism of Stalin and Maoism of China.

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2 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

marxism is responsible for deaths of 100 of millions on this planet it is just a system to set up the world for elites to rule over . Ever read the history of the russian and chinese revolutions ?

you can see the more equal than some in both countries, all systems capitalism, marxism  and comunism are utterly flawed and destructive . Anarchism of Guru Sahiban is the true solution where we take only what is needed , after we have earnt it and sharing our resources with others so all are cared for, answering to no master class or false authority . The environment and animals are protected and cared for and peace and diplomacy is the main approach not imperialistic empire building.

athenian democracy relied on slavery to generating income so also not what we want .

Jkvlondon

plz watch the below video. Marxism is different from the 20th century communism in Russia and China. Karl Marx was only concerned about the work place and was not too concerned about the politics of who owns the workplace (govt. Or private people ). He wanted democracy in the work place where every worker has a say in the decision making and not just few people at the top.

 

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On 10/5/2019 at 9:09 AM, Not2Cool2Argue said:

What about social democracy like that practiced in Scandinavian countries (Norway, Sweden) etc 

Communism failed because government got too powerful and misused it's power.

In social democracy rich business men will become very powerful and there is always a risk that they will misuse their power to halt the social welfare programs. 

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simply put any time you put a small group in charge of the resources of the majority there will be corruption . Guru ji's system of local singhs and Kaurs tending to local needs and organising and cooperating with other neighouring jathey worked well to support the Singhs during hard times as well as more prosperous times .

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1 hour ago, jkvlondon said:

simply put any time you put a small group in charge of the resources of the majority there will be corruption . Guru ji's system of local singhs and Kaurs tending to local needs and organising and cooperating with other neighouring jathey worked well to support the Singhs during hard times as well as more prosperous times .

No doubt Guru jee is perfect and His system will be perfect too. But I need some help in understanding Guru jee's system.

During Guru jee's time there were some rich Sikhs like Makhan Shah lubana and todar mall. Does it mean system will be capitalistic? 

Plz explain Guru jee's system in simple words.

Thanks 

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