Care About World + Hukam

[Guest]

Should we care about this world and its future? Ex: it is perishable

Is Hukam all encompassing? Is it Hukam to do bad things?

thanks

[jkvlondon]

2 hours ago, startingsikh said:

Should we care about this world and its future? Ex: it is perishable

Is Hukam all encompassing? Is it Hukam to do bad things?

thanks

it is not hukham to do bad , that it the endpoint of lots of little decisions leading that way , consistent bad choices or good choices pave the final result  , put your best efforts to do good whilst asking for kirpa to do better and make better choices and you will get better results . Yes we should care as sabh Gobind Hai , good and bad, rich and poor , west and east ALL are One. Guru ji nevers makes mistakes your being here is not a mistake so have confidence that Guru ji/ Akal Purakh wants you to be an agent of his Sach , to spread it , to accept it and to live it .

[Guest]

39 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

it is not hukham to do bad , that it the endpoint of lots of little decisions leading that way , consistent bad choices or good choices pave the final result  , put your best efforts to do good whilst asking for kirpa to do better and make better choices and you will get better results . Yes we should care as sabh Gobind Hai , good and bad, rich and poor , west and east ALL are One. Guru ji nevers makes mistakes your being here is not a mistake so have confidence that Guru ji/ Akal Purakh wants you to be an agent of his Sach , to spread it , to accept it and to live it .

Why does it say in Gurbani that Waheguru deludes some and saves others? That doesn't seem fair.

it also says that from the very beginning he pre-ordained their destinies, so whoever is saved and whoever is in hell is Waheguru's Will?

[GurjantGnostic]

32 minutes ago, startingsikh said:

Why does it say in Gurbani that Waheguru deludes some and saves others? That doesn't seem fair.

it also says that from the very beginning he pre-ordained their destinies, so whoever is saved and whoever is in hell is Waheguru's Will?

It also says, forgive the english from memory, that my God is the Savior of all. 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, GurjantGnostic said:

It also says, forgive the english from memory, that my God is the Savior of all. 

He only saves those who keep his commandments (jaap Naam, etc.) and how much of that is in the mortal's hand?

throughout Japji sahib it constantly says that we mortals are powerless.

[GurjantGnostic]

Reincarnate until that's you it seems. To whatever degree it appears we have free will, we are wise to focus it in the direction you're talking about, that of devotion. 

[GurjantGnostic]

I get where you're coming from. I have a hard time doing Ardas now...I start..then...figure...Jaap Naam accept Hukam. 

[Guest]

18 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

I get where you're coming from. I have a hard time doing Ardas now...I start..then...figure...Jaap Naam accept Hukam. 

I feel as though the best Ardaas is, help me accept your Hukum, because asking for something feels like an insult to His Will? I mean Gurbani states he is all knowing, all powerful therefore we don't need to ask for anything but to accept His will no matter how good or bad it gets, well to us anyway! What seems like good may be bad and vice versa. We'll see in the end; hope I don't see any of you in hell with me! Lol