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18 hours ago, puzzled said:

 

 

Bro, posting a 42 minute video without posting even 2 sentences of what it is? If it's of any value whatsoever, then why don't you explain so.

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Not seen the video yet but this is Rajiv Malhotra. 

He calls himself an "Intellectual Kashatritiya ".

He has some interesting concepts of Western world from a dharmic point of view. 

He often talks about "purva Puksha " (think that is the term) about reversing the lens on the west.

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1 hour ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Not seen the video yet but this is Rajiv Malhotra. 

He calls himself an "Intellectual Kashatritiya ".

He has some interesting concepts of Western world from a dharmic point of view. 

He often talks about "purva Puksha " (think that is the term) about reversing the lens on the west.

this the first video iv seen of his will check more out.  lady talks more about her journey rather than the tactics the missionaries use. but she talks about how christians approach you when your in need of help and tell you that "god loves u"  while hindus come around your house and start reading scriptures,   christians have that human level conversation with you.  her family were also approached by a christian when they were going through hard times and told that jesus loves them.  she comes from a bhramin family and said that they let you keep your culture and bhramin identity but get you to worship jesus, that way the person dont feel like they leave their indian routes. 

she left the faith and became bhramin again after going america and studying the bible.  

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1 hour ago, puzzled said:

this the first video iv seen of his will check more out.  lady talks more about her journey rather than the tactics the missionaries use. but she talks about how christians approach you when your in need of help and tell you that "god loves u"  while hindus come around your house and start reading scriptures,   christians have that human level conversation with you.  her family were also approached by a christian when they were going through hard times and told that jesus loves them.  she comes from a bhramin family and said that they let you keep your culture and bhramin identity but get you to worship jesus, that way the person dont feel like they leave their indian routes. 

she left the faith and became bhramin again after going america and studying the bible.  

I think this is how Bhai Jugraj Singh was so successful with Basics of Sikhi.

He spoke on a human level with Sikhi.

He made Sikhi accessible and explains things in a way that everyone can understand. 

The pundits have made themselves exclusive and unapproachable and the Christians make Jesus very personal and approachable. 

 

 

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30 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

I think this is how Bhai Jugraj Singh was so successful with Basics of Sikhi.

He spoke on a human level with Sikhi.

He made Sikhi accessible and explains things in a way that everyone can understand. 

The pundits have made themselves exclusive and unapproachable and the Christians make Jesus very personal and approachable. 

 

 

yh i think thats one of the differences, christians talk to you on a very human level, while sikhs and hindus dont do that    tell them you have a problem and they tell you to do simran and bani and then everything will be ok and thats it 

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18 hours ago, puzzled said:

yh i think thats one of the differences, christians talk to you on a very human level, while sikhs and hindus dont do that    tell them you have a problem and they tell you to do simran and bani and then everything will be ok and thats it 

but its true tho. Just do Bani and Ardass and everything will be good. 

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1 hour ago, kidsama said:

but its true tho. Just do Bani and Ardass and everything will be good. 

Yea true   but when someone has depression, sick child, poverty and they are simply told go and do simran by one person   and offered a heart to heart conversation with another, who do you think a struggling person will go to? 

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On 1/18/2020 at 10:10 PM, puzzled said:

yh i think thats one of the differences, christians talk to you on a very human level, while sikhs and hindus dont do that    tell them you have a problem and they tell you to do simran and bani and then everything will be ok and thats it 

Funny thing is it's true, yet as I've mentioned on previous occasions, it's trying to guide someone onto that path when they aren't ready to make that leap of faith. The Christian tries to bridge that gap by being personable, relatable, and sympathetic (whether it's genuine care or a ploy for the purposes of recruitment is debatable), understanding that for the vast majority of people with issues, the afflicted just want to unburden themselves and be heard before even thinking about making that next step to actively responding to the problems plaguing them. There's no to very little of this approach in our community, because we generally lack those traits in our demeanour as a people (although the younger generations are better in this respect), and this attitude seems to be even more significant in religious circles, which is madness because of all the areas where compassion and understanding should be in evidence, the spiritually floundering or just the generally forlorn and disenfranchised should be made to feel they're being listened to, not dismissed with a course of treatment that's abstract at best.

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1 hour ago, MisterrSingh said:

Funny thing is it's true, yet as I've mentioned on previous occasions, it's trying to guide someone onto that path when they aren't ready to make that leap of faith. The Christian tries to bridge that gap by being personable, relatable, and sympathetic (whether it's genuine care or a ploy for the purposes of recruitment is debatable), understanding that for the vast majority of people with issues, the afflicted just want to unburden themselves and be heard before even thinking about making that next step to actively responding to the problems plaguing them. There's no to very little of this approach in our community, because we generally lack those traits in our demeanour as a people (although the younger generations are better in this respect), and this attitude seems to be even more significant in religious circles, which is madness because of all the areas where compassion and understanding should be in evidence, the spiritually floundering or just the generally forlorn and disenfranchised should be made to feel they're being listened to, not dismissed with a course of treatment that's abstract at best.

but the christian 'sympathy' is not even skin deep they are all on an ego trip as they are recruiting for God ...to get brownie points supposedly for agley lok . As Guru ji says ' Ram khilona janaa'

 

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19 hours ago, puzzled said:

Yea true   but when someone has depression, sick child, poverty and they are simply told go and do simran by one person   and offered a heart to heart conversation with another, who do you think a struggling person will go to? 

You are correct.

Naam Simran helps because there is science now that suggests that it can help with trauma as it helps with the nervous system.

But if it is combined with some counselling (like talking to someone), it will help far more.

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3 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

but the christian 'sympathy' is not even skin deep they are all on an ego trip as they are recruiting for God ...to get brownie points supposedly for agley lok . As Guru ji says ' Ram khilona janaa'

For someone at rock bottom, even faux concern or help with vested interests doesn't seem so objectionable. To a rational, "normal" person it seems insulting, but for someone desperately seeking some understanding and kinship it's the difference between offing yourself due to loneliness or alienation, or suddenly feeling as if life is worth enduring.

 

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4 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

You are correct.

Naam Simran helps because there is science now that suggests that it can help with trauma as it helps with the nervous system.

But if it is combined with some counselling (like talking to someone), it will help far more.

true    and like mentioned above  know one tells you how to do naam simran   and how it will help    and about having faith.  person who is is struggling needs that reassurance       

there also is a lack of emotion connection and sympathy,  when they tell you to do simran and bani and everything will be ok   they sound like robots       

in india   a lot of these religious people are arrogant and rude as well. 

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another thing and the main thing is that christian missionaries are actively out there with the motive of converting people, their aim is to convert as many people as they can, that is their main aim,   with sikhs and hindus etc  that is not our motive.  this makes a big difference. one group is out there actively with the aim of conversion while the other is not.    with one group with the given task of trying to convert as many people as they can and however they can VS a group with no interest in converting,  then the "winner"  is obvious.

faiths like Christianity in india are predatory  they are the chasers    while faiths like sikh, hindu etc  are the prey     if that makes sense lol  

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On 1/20/2020 at 2:31 PM, Ranjeet01 said:

You are correct.

Naam Simran helps because there is science now that suggests that it can help with trauma as it helps with the nervous system.

 

This is very true, but you have to have a positive experience early on, or stick through it for a bit and keep at it to benefit long term.  

It is undeniably cognitively rejuvenating, but when real, tangible crap is at your door like lack of food, serious sickness, feeling trapped in an abusive relationship it's easy for people to become detached from everything and get trapped in some emotional cycles that seem unbreakable. That's one way simran can help big time, disrupting those thought waves, and the better you get at it, the more distance you can put between the thought waves and your true self. 

From a psychological/neurobiological perspective this is all very high level - most people won't get that. 

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