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12 hours ago, Not2Cool2Argue said:

Haha. Delhi panjabi is the worst. 

They add haagi in every sentence. And they speak like the comedic way sikhs in bollywood movies are shown to speak. And they cant pronounce bhabha and other letters correctly 

Kidhar chali haagi? Oh ohnde haage.

LOL  yh delhi punjabi is ugly! No offence to delhi walle. Something really irritating and annoying about it as well ! And too many hindi words mixed in it. They speak it really fast as well. 

Earthy rustic rural punjabi is the best.

I recently briefly worked with this afghan sikh and I found his punjabi really annoying aswell! At times it was so irritating that it was deafening!  Interesting while we were talking about the punjabi language he said to me that I speak the proper punjabi. 

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On 2/5/2020 at 1:40 PM, puzzled said:

LOL  yh delhi punjabi is ugly! No offence to delhi walle. Something really irritating and annoying about it as well ! And too many hindi words mixed in it. They speak it really fast as well. 

Earthy rustic rural punjabi is the best.

I recently briefly worked with this afghan sikh and I found his punjabi really annoying aswell! At times it was so irritating that it was deafening!  Interesting while we were talking about the punjabi language he said to me that I speak the proper punjabi. 

probaly you'll find that being child of diaspora you speak crystallised form of punjabi which hasn't moved on since 60s  whereas Punjabi spoken back home has been infiltrated with Hindi so much , instead of BHain ji its Didi or Di because the full word is too long , I've had people who have come from Punjab (native) and said that I speak Tate Punjabi , I know I speak like Malwa style punjabi (Mum's from Ludhiana dist and Dad was from Ferozpur/Moga area apparently Ghallugara happened near my Nanake ) . I've always felt inadequate in my Punjabi but that kind of shook me .

 

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On 2/5/2020 at 1:11 AM, Not2Cool2Argue said:

Haha. Delhi panjabi is the worst. 

They add haagi in every sentence. And they speak like the comedic way sikhs in bollywood movies are shown to speak. And they cant pronounce bhabha and other letters correctly 

Kidhar chali haagi? Oh ohnde haage.

I think it depends where in Delhi you go. Delhi is a big place. So the Punjabi will be different in each part and area. 

I found the Punjabi to be very good in certain parts. It's spoken in a much sweeter and loving way. The Punjabi in certain parts of Punjab sounds quite harsh and pendufied. Especially in the pinds. I did not come across any hindified Punjabi. Apart from the odd word here and there. 

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On 2/3/2020 at 8:02 AM, californiasardar1 said:

The narrative among most Sikhs (who like to only see themselves as victims) is that we were somehow deprived in 1947 of a Sikh majority country (or, at the very least, separated from lots of land in West Punjab that should have gone to India instead of Pakistan).

 

They always ignore the cold hard demographic truths. We were lucky to get as much of Punjab on the Indian side of the border as we did,

Regarding the "cold hard demographic truths": If the number of people of a given religion is to determine who the territory is to be given to, then why was Kashmir (majority Muslim) given to a Hindu maharaja?

Why was Hyderabad (majority Hindu) given to a Muslim Nizam?

Since they gave Kashmir to a Hindu maharaja, can you give a fair reason why the British should not have given us our Kingdom back, regardless of demographics?

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On 2/8/2020 at 1:04 PM, BhForce said:

Regarding the "cold hard demographic truths": If the number of people of a given religion is to determine who the territory is to be given to, then why was Kashmir (majority Muslim) given to a Hindu maharaja?

Why was Hyderabad (majority Hindu) given to a Muslim Nizam?

Since they gave Kashmir to a Hindu maharaja, can you give a fair reason why the British should not have given us our Kingdom back, regardless of demographics?

 

Territory being "given" to a maharaja of a princely state and territory being "given" to India or Pakistan at the time of partition were two entirely different things.

The arrangements that the British had with the princely states occurred long before 1947 (ranging from several decades to hundreds of years). Kashmir had Hindu rajas for 100 years or so prior to 1947.

The parts of the British Raj that were awarded to India or Pakistan based on demographics were the parts directly controlled by the British (i.e. not the princely states).

 

The British directly controlled most of Punjab (exceptions were princely states under indirect British rule, such as Patiala, Nabha, Jind, Faridkot, etc.)

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On 2/8/2020 at 1:53 PM, puzzled said:

According to that map border districts like batala, ferozpur, gurdaspur etc were muslim majority too yet they ended up in india.  Might be something to do with gurdaspur being next to kashmir? So the indian politicians negotiated with the goreh. 

Batala is a tehsil of Gurdaspur district and Ferozepore is a tehsil of Ferozepur district at the time. In Ferozepore district the Muslims were a minority so they can have no gripe at losing the tehsil as the unit of division was the district and not the tehsil. Gurdaspur was a slight Muslim majority area and the district may have been given to Indian to make is easier for Kashmir to become a part of India. Not the whole of Gurdaspur district came to India, the Shakargarh tehsil which was across the Ravi was given to Pakistan. 

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On 2/5/2020 at 7:10 PM, puzzled said:

LOL  yh delhi punjabi is ugly! No offence to delhi walle. Something really irritating and annoying about it as well ! And too many hindi words mixed in it. They speak it really fast as well. 

Earthy rustic rural punjabi is the best.

I recently briefly worked with this afghan sikh and I found his punjabi really annoying aswell! At times it was so irritating that it was deafening!  Interesting while we were talking about the punjabi language he said to me that I speak the proper punjabi. 

Delhi Punjabi is mix of Pothwari,multani,Bhawalpuri,Jhangi which are considered the sweetest dialects of Punjabi. Delhities and Punjabis in Urban Haryana like Karnal,Panipat,Rohtak,Hissar are mostly arora/khatri, so Jatts find that Punjabi odd, but it is so different that in Pakistan they are considered separate language and Multanis(Saraikis) refuse to identify as Punjabi and claim a separate ethnic identity .

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