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The Future of Langar after Coronavirus - things will never be the same again


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Coronavirus. What do we know ?    We know the rest of the world is trying to prevent any of it's citizens getting it whereas the UK is actively trying to ensure at least 50% of it's citizens get it. From a purely selfish point of view I'd like to try and keep myself and family safe as per the advice in the rest of the world but from a purely scientific point of view there is great merit in the UK strategy. The answer - long term - is to create an immunity from the virus and the only way to ensure that is to create a herd immunity among the population. That will only come once enough of the population get it. This is actually good science and, reluctantly, I actually applaud the UK Tory govenment's stance against popular opinion.  Not that it's stopping me keeping my kids home from school though. A man has to make his own decision about what's best for his own family. But, when the worst is over and we're back to 'normal' will things ever be 'normal' again ? No. They won't. There will be a new 'normal'. That's what events in history are about. Things happen - we learn from them - and things become different.  After the worst of the coronavirus is over we know things are not going to be as they were before. The wearing of surgical masks will remain common. Skin-like gloves will become more common and advanced. The handshake will be the preserve of the older generation whereas the elbow tap will be the most common greeting among the young. And what of communal public eating ? The Langar.  We know things are going to change. They are going to have to because public attitudes among Sikhs about what is and is not acceptable from a hygeine point of view will change. But, tell me,  what in your opinion will those changes in the concept of langar be ?  

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I think there will be little impact on langar and gurdware. Sikhs are already in good position for battling coronovirus. 

- Officials now say wash/sanitise your hands when entering public buildings. Sikhs already do - we enter gurdware take shoes off and wash hands.

- Officials say frequently wash hands. Sangat visiting gurdware already do. Before we do distribute karah parshad, do langar seva, do chour sahib seva, sit on stage to do kirtan, sit at Guru ji’s tabiyaa to read path we wash our hands. 

- Hygiene in Sikh gurdware is very high. Especially compared to some Hindu temples in India. 

 

General comment regarding future of Langar:

Guru Nanak’s langer will NEVER end! There are stories where reserves of ingredients like flour ran out, but the parshade never ran out. For every parshada given to sangat another appeared in the box. Then we have the blessing of ardaas and kirpan bhet bhog.

Ridhia Sidhia are servants in Guru Nanak’s langar. 

Tichar mool na thuRa(n)eedho jichar aap kirapaal ||

- the mortal does not run out of capital, as long as the Lord himself is merciful.

Sabadh akhuT baabaa naanakaa khaeh kharach dhan maal ||20||

 - the word of the shabad is Guru Nanak’s inexhaustible treasure; this wealth and capital never runs out, no matter how much is spent and consumed. ||20||

 
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langar should switch from frying anything to supplying fruit salad made with fresh fruit , do distribution of vitamin d to elderly and young families , do shopping drops also for elderly/ quarantined .

Now is a good time to support small independant businesses so they do not go under , I like how this disease is making people think in the community way.

 

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8 hours ago, DailyMail said:

West London Singh,

You're absolutely correct about herd immunity. Around 2/3 of the population need to be exposed and having Covid-19 parties, just like chicken pox parties, is certainly one way to do it. However, ensure that the elderly and vulnerable aren't invited to such parties!

Absolutely DailyMail.  The level of ignorance among the general British public - including we Sikhs - is truly shocking.  They look at news from Italy, Australia, China and America etc and mistakingly believe that their government is also trying to protect them from the virus - as the other countries are doing. I really don't think the ignorant British public has actually understood that their government is actively wanting them to get the virus.  

Now....do you remember how people here laughed at me when I use to tell them how I grow my own food, make my own bread and am generally self-sufficient ?   Well, because I work from home anyway and have now taken my kids off school and my wife is self-isolating I'm pretty much OK and have, in a sense, been proven right. What the rest of the British public need to understand is that the UK government's strategy of creating a herd immunity involves a lot of deaths. Perhaps up to half a million. The science behind the strategy is actually very good in theory however there are serious flaws. In order for the strategy to work we would need it to be a co-ordinated strategy involving many nations. It genuinely could work however. But people need to understand that a lot of people are going to die in the UK. A lot more than have died in other countries.

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On 3/14/2020 at 12:00 PM, puzzled said:

Southall nagar kirtan has been postponed 

The one in Leicester has been cancelled/postponed as of yesterday, bit of a shame but totally understandable considering the amount of elder's that attend and would be put at risk.

 

On 3/13/2020 at 11:43 AM, Guest Jigsaw_Puzzled_Singh said:

Coronavirus. What do we know ?    We know the rest of the world is trying to prevent any of it's citizens getting it whereas the UK is actively trying to ensure at least 50% of it's citizens get it. From a purely selfish point of view I'd like to try and keep myself and family safe as per the advice in the rest of the world but from a purely scientific point of view there is great merit in the UK strategy. The answer - long term - is to create an immunity from the virus and the only way to ensure that is to create a herd immunity among the population. That will only come once enough of the population get it. This is actually good science and, reluctantly, I actually applaud the UK Tory govenment's stance against popular opinion.  Not that it's stopping me keeping my kids home from school though. A man has to make his own decision about what's best for his own family. But, when the worst is over and we're back to 'normal' will things ever be 'normal' again ? No. They won't. There will be a new 'normal'. That's what events in history are about. Things happen - we learn from them - and things become different.  After the worst of the coronavirus is over we know things are not going to be as they were before. The wearing of surgical masks will remain common. Skin-like gloves will become more common and advanced. The handshake will be the preserve of the older generation whereas the elbow tap will be the most common greeting among the young. And what of communal public eating ? The Langar.  We know things are going to change. They are going to have to because public attitudes among Sikhs about what is and is not acceptable from a hygeine point of view will change. But, tell me,  what in your opinion will those changes in the concept of langar be ?  

The problem with "herd immunity" is it is great on paper but in practice it has to be managed well, something that the UK government is useless at (it took them years to figure out Brexit and still managed to make a mess out of it), the issue with Coronavirus is we don't know how each individual would react to it, we have a rough idea, that's all, we know people over 80 are at the highest risk and young kid's show very little sign but can spread the virus, also, a lot of the scientific and medical community have come out and criticised what Boris and his gang want to do, personally, he should bite the bullet and shut stuff down (especially schools, a lot of the elder's will get the virus from their grandchildren, the more we can do prevent the kids getting it the better) but he won't because it will kill an already failing economy and that's what matter's to them, not lives.

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4 minutes ago, kcmidlands said:

The one in Leicester has been cancelled/postponed as of yesterday, bit of a shame but totally understandable considering the amount of elder's that attend and would be put at risk.

 

The problem with "herd immunity" is it is great on paper but in practice it has to be managed well, something that the UK government is useless at (it took them years to figure out Brexit and still managed to make a mess out of it), the issue with Coronavirus is we don't know how each individual would react to it, we have a rough idea, that's all, we know people over 80 are at the highest risk and young kid's show very little sign but can spread the virus, also, a lot of the scientific and medical community have come out and criticised what Boris and his gang want to do, personally, he should bite the bullet and shut stuff down (especially schools, a lot of the elder's will get the virus from their grandchildren, the more we can do prevent the kids getting it the better) but he won't because it will kill an already failing economy and that's what matter's to them, not lives.

The whole age thing is a false equivalence , it is ANYONE who is antioxidant and vitamin D, K, A  deficient , that can be any age group who relies on junk foods, softdrinks, alcohol, and those who have immunosuppressing diseases such as diabetes (because high Blood sugar suppresses immune system) , cancer treatment receivers, asthamatics are at risk because of compromised lung functions and of course smokers .
Even if we are waiting on the vaccine by then 70% of the population would have experienced the virus within the year os waiting . Just need to be normal keep good hygiene , boost immune health by eating and sleep well .

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