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It's sad isnt it, these same sikhs are the legacy of Hari Singh Nalwa   and look at their situation now. 

I dont understand why they just dont move to the UK, Delhi etc 

I used to work with a Afghan sikh guy and he said it's simply because of the gurdware that they dont leave Afghanistan,  but is it really worth it ... 

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The way I see it, such things are inevitable in such areas. If apnay haven't twigged onto the fact that they need armed and trained apnay inside the Gurdwaras ready for such things, I think they are deluding themselves. In a country like Afghanistan I would imagine the culture of being shaster/ashterdhari is a norm, apnay need to be on this. Same with certain areas in the US maybe? 

I know that the thinking might be that we don't want to do such things because they might make things worse, but what use is living life like a sitting duck?

 

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Extremely sad and probably the end of the Sikh community in Afghanistan given how many have died and how many are now injured. I agree the fact is that in a shythole country like Afghanistan as a minority either you are armed or you leave because you are a sitting duck if you do neither. Unfo9rtunately these Afghan Sikhs cling on to some romantic notions that the Afghanistan prior to the 1979 Soviet invasion will return when the reality is that once a Muslim country descends deeper into Islam then it is lost and the most that a non-Muslims can do is leave. We need to understand this reality. The historic Gurdwaras might be lost by we need to consider that lives are more important than buildings. These Afghan Sikhs now have a wide range of contacts among their fellow Afghan Sikhs in countries outside Afghanistan like Germany, UK and Canada. They need to get out and leave the Afghans to kill each which is what they have been doing for centuries. Add to their backwards culture ISIS and then you have the making of a bigger hellhole than existed under the Taliban. 

 

 

 

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19 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

The way I see it, such things are inevitable in such areas. If apnay haven't twigged onto the fact that they need armed and trained apnay inside the Gurdwaras ready for such things, I think they are deluding themselves. In a country like Afghanistan I would imagine the culture of being shaster/ashterdhari is a norm, apnay need to be on this. Same with certain areas in the US maybe? 

I know that the thinking might be that we don't want to do such things because they might make things worse, but what use is living life like a sitting duck?

 

I think the warrior tradition has long died in sikh communities, we dont even think about it. Once you start living in fear  you just dont react back with force. 

But if you look at ithiaas sikhs have had phases where we fight back and phases where were slaughtered left right center and didnt do anything. 

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