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pro-khalistan leader condems pakistan and islamic extremists

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43 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

The university of Oxford (and Cambridge, too) has been a prime source for recruiting students for the intelligence agencies. Bill Clinton, Bhutto, Indira... these kinds of power hungry yet ambitious individuals are ripe for recruitment in those establishments. They get at them when they're fresh; they either discover the skeletons in their closets or they plant a few, and then they gradually promote them to the ultimate seats of power. The game these people play is simply on another level, beyond anything we could hope to understand. 

You're right, the worlds intelligence agencies are in all but name terrorist funders and trainers. Alot of there agents are actual terrorists with licenses to kill covered by diplomatic immunity by their respect governments.

The deeper level of shadowy political powers that are behind who they back as leaders is very covert and hash hash often exposed only by chance by ex-agents or by intelligent geo-political conspiracy theorist analysts who happen to put pieces of jigsaw together to see whats really going on behind the scenes.

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32 minutes ago, genie said:

The deeper level of shadowy political powers that are behind who they back as leaders is very covert and hash hash often exposed only by chance by ex-agents or by intelligent geo-political conspiracy theorist analysts who happen to put pieces of jigsaw together to see whats really going on behind the scenes.

The conspiracy stuff is fun but you tend to get drawn into rabbit holes that may have been setup as deliberate dead ends. An outsider who doesn't have any of the contacts and connections has no choice but to stick to observable phenomena as dull and unexciting as it may be. Even I still have my doubts about some of the loopy, dark tales and innuendo that I hear, because there's no actual way of proving any of it. Plus, there's always a danger of seeing a conspiracy where there isn't one. Losing touch with reality makes a person useless to any serious pursuit of the truth. The system may be rigged, but sometimes these devils do make mistakes, and that's the perfect opportunity to exploit those missteps.

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19 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

Adds fuel to the fire of my theory that they had a backdoor deal with ISI / Pakistanis to kick things off in '84, and they'd be backed up only to be betrayed at the critical moment. 

wouldn't they rather use "khalistanis" to fight india , then extend the borders of pakistan eastward to include punjab part of india , and after borders reset , then butcher off the sikhs  .

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51 minutes ago, AjeetSingh2019 said:

wouldn't they rather use "khalistanis" to fight india , then extend the borders of pakistan eastward to include punjab part of india , and after borders reset , then butcher off the sikhs  .

That could've come later over the course of decades. Pakistan weren't going to reveal their involvement in a plot to destabilise India by publicly backing the separatists. Quietly sponsor the Khalistanis knowing full well they would get crushed, but if the unthinkable happened and we did somehow reach a position where India were on the ropes in a skirmish, they'd send support, and by then Pakistani involvement wouldn't be a secret. That's the unlikely yet vaguely possible scenario that never occurred. What the Pakistanis did was to support us to give India a black eye; embarrass and have them embroiled in a short conflict out of spite. We were cannon fodder for the Pakistanis, and they knew it. They didn't seriously believe we could make a dent. But if a third party approaches you with a desire to enter a conflict with your hated enemy, wouldn't you pump them up out of spite just to see the ensuing tamasha?

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14 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

That could've come later over the course of decades. Pakistan weren't going to reveal their involvement in a plot to destabilise India by publicly backing the separatists. Quietly sponsor the Khalistanis knowing full well they would get crushed, but if the unthinkable happened and we did somehow reach a position where India were on the ropes in a skirmish, they'd send support, and by then Pakistani involvement wouldn't be a secret. That's the unlikely yet vaguely possible scenario that never occurred. What the Pakistanis did was to support us to give India a black eye; embarrass and have them embroiled in a short conflict out of spite. We were cannon fodder for the Pakistanis, and they knew it. They didn't seriously believe we could make a dent. But if a third party approaches you with a desire to enter a conflict with your hated enemy, wouldn't you pump them up out of spite just to see the ensuing tamasha?

not surprisingly then, democracy-tilted and rajiv's friend benazir bhutto thus opposed khalistani demands 

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42 minutes ago, AjeetSingh2019 said:

wouldn't they rather use "khalistanis" to fight india , then extend the borders of pakistan eastward to include punjab part of india , and after borders reset , then butcher off the sikhs  .

pakistan's support to Khalistani's were on the basis of being cannon fodder to keep indian army at bay and busy while the afghan jihad was going on and resources were poured over there. Once the afghanistan campaign was coming to an end and soviets looking to withdraw they switched their true attentions and passion for capturing all of kashmir by kicking off things there.

 

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The best chance pakistan had to "liberate" punjab/khalistan from indian rule and make it a vassal tributary sikh state for it was in 1984 operation blue star. Had they crossed the border to help the Sikh separatists and those dharmi yudhai who fought valiantly by themselves defending darbar sahib they then would have been supported by the Sikh masses of the punjab countryside and the full blown insurgency + pakistani army would have overun the indian troops in punjab which would have enabled pakistan to take Kashmir much easier.

They chickened out or slyly backed out like a snake and let the Sikhs get slaughtered while they watched from a distance laughing and hi5ing each other then getting ready for the Sikh rebel influx into pakistan in which they had already planned training camps for them to hit indian targets.

Pakistani ISI played their part to checkmate Indian R&AW who were caught oping and playing catch up. The Pakistani ISI was created by the British m16 in early 1950s whereas R&AW was created in late 1960s with heavy influence from USSR KGB. So pakistan had 10years ahead of the indians and helped with training and tactics by western intelligence agencies against USSR soviet backed Indian govt.

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There's always a few useful idiots like the "sikhs for justice" khalistan 2020 campaigners who dont know the real picture for Sikhs in pakistan. It is quite telling that alot of hardcore older Khalistani's who fought the indian state once hailed pakistan govt and people now speaking out of the true intentions of the corrupt oppressive islamic regime.

  • - They are witnessing pakistani Sikh civilians getting randomly killed here and there by "unknown" gunmen (muslim zealots). And their murders are often blamed on "fueding" hindu and sikhs which is very dubious. 
  • - Their Sikh daughters and sisters harassed by muslims (egged on by the state and religious bodies) to convert to islam telling them their faith is hellbound and inferiour.
  • - Some muslims who come to pakistani gurdwara's disrespect it by smoking in gurdwara grounds and abusing the congregation fighting with the sangat.
  • - When pakistani taliban and various jihadi mafia gangs entered Sikh area's of NWFP pakistan they enforced extortionate jizya on them in the knowledge they wont be able to pay so must convert or leave their ancestral lands for safer area's
  • - Patriot Pakistani Sikh politicians standing for leading parties sent death threats and killed eventually.
  • - Every attack on Sikhs by muslims is hushed up by the state and media and even pakistani Sikhs themselves for fear of reprisals of muslim mobs
  • - Gurdwara's attacked few times by muslim zealots and mobs, saroops of SGGS Ji attacked and burnt in few incidents
  • - Pakistani drama's often depict Sikhs as murderers of muslims and haters of pakistan or jokers and clowns same as bollywood
  • - Pakistani educational text books feature Sikhs and sikh rule in negative light often making Islam look like a blessing
  • - Pakistani ISI funding in part neo-al-qaeda (islamic state khorasan) jihadi attacks on innocent vulnerable afghan Sikhs

 

I could go on and on about the oppression pakistani Sikhs face and faced but i think people get the picture

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