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12 hours ago, proactive said:

You obviously don't understand how debates work. It's not up to me to find something that you have used to defend your stance, it's up to you to find it and post it and with that we can look at the context of why Santji  (if he did) built the Mandir. 

So if Gurmukhs are meant to be going around building the places of worship of non-Sikhs then surely in history you should able to provide thousands if not hundreds of examples, did Bhai Gurdas build non-Sikh places of worship, how about Baba Budha Ji, How about Baba Deep Singh etc. If should also come across countless Guru Ki Maseets and Guru Ka Mandirs in all the towns founded by the Gurus. 

The rest of your post is just a diversion technique. You want that Sikhs should not be criticising the SJW and leftists of KA but should instead be leaving them alone. 

Also since you seem to be an expert in bringing historic evidence to back up your points, then tell us how you justify KA's subversion of Langar by taking it to places where there is no Gurdwara or Guru Granth Sahib. Also Daswand was always used for Panthic causes, so why is KA asking for Sikhs to give them Daswand which they know that they give the vast majority 90% to non-Sikhs. Also can Daswand be used to provide a salary to someone like Ravi Singh who is not undertaking a Panthic service and the same goes for the amount of £200,000 a year that is used for all salaries and benefits that KA gives to its employees. 

You know how charitable organizations work right?

Least you see Ravi's books. 

Which group do you recommend we support?

Can we see their books?

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being played like fiddles by GOI and PUnjab Government  during this lockdown

Sikh organisations all over punjab are rushing to feed 'poor' migrant workers but the truth is we are being played :
https://www.facebook.com/panth.pratham/videos/832374407262875/UzpfSTEwMDAwMjIxODM5MTIyODoyODY3NDU5NjIwMDA0NjIz/

this is bhaiyas complaining about langar:

https://www.facebook.com/panth.pratham/videos/263542907998640/UzpfSTEwMDAwMjIxODM5MTIyODoyODY3Mjg3NzkwMDIxODA2/

honestly we rush in and get our own pockets emptied, and they laugh at us whilst our own poor sikhs sikhligars, mazhabi and kisan sikh families are suffering

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On 4/1/2020 at 12:21 AM, genie said:

Here is my list of current problems we face as a kaum.

  •  Traveling around giving aid / langar to non-sikhs. This thought was put into Sikh psyche as a strategy to destroy Sikhs from within by the enemy who wanted to move Sikhs away from position of strength to weakness. Guru ka langar never went around the world helping non-sikhs like this. Guru Ka langar was based on giving langar to the local sangat community. However was the non-sikh poor masses who came to the Sikhs and gurdwara's to get langar and get parchar to convert to Sikhi that made non-sikhs want to be a Sikh. This current innovation which has been created and run by idiots and is wasting sangats money giving langar away for free with no benefits for the kaum. The biggest gift a Sikh can give to a non-sikh is parchar because by that parchar the Sikh too will have to reform their character to live by what they preach.
  • Not having well armed sewadaar guards of Gurdwara's. Safety and security of guru's house and his congregation should be paramount yet what do we see today? any afghan ahmed abdali, isis salafi muhammad musin, mughal aurangzeb can walk in and kill without any hindrance like we seen recently. What is the fall out? Sikhs will stop coming to gurdwara's and thus gurdwara commitee's lose income and gurdwara shuts down eventually. The non-muslim hating conquest loving isis type jihadi mullah nutjob wins as sikhi is seen as weak and finished eventually because gurdwara's are no longer safe spaces for people wanting to worship and congregate.
  •  Sikhs of sarbat da bhulla mindset. Well meaning humanitarian liberal Sikhs but very gullible very politically and religiously naive not understand the full context of meaning of sarabat da bhalla and when to apply it. perhaps most of them have a sort of stockholm sydromme imprisoned by cultures and ideologies that are against Sikh interests and prevent their own community to survive.
  • Fake Sikh puppet leaders. They are only in it for their own power, fame/popularity contest or financial gain (eg recent akal takht jathedhars, sgpc leaders, DT harnaam singh, Badal dal, congressi captain amrinder singh, etc). We need to support leaders who openly fight for the interests of Sikhs without being shy about it.
  • Not having our own sovereign state nation. To conduct our own economic, military, religious and political affairs is the very reason we have so many problems. But its not necessary for the community to survive and thrive if other problems are dealt with.
  • Inter-faith marriages and lack of promotion of inter-caste or inter-race Sikh marriages. Sikhs should activity promote inter-caste marriages within punjabis at the very least and help promote those non-sikhs to convert to Sikhi to marry someone within the faith.

 

Biggest threat and problems

Alcohol/ addiction both in UK and india

Sikh caste division. Sikhs unable to be a single strong community. As we are to divided. 

Lack of strong leaders to steer faith in right direction. 

Sikhs becoming lost losing their faith 

Intermarriages. To many Sikhs wishing they were white. 

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On 4/4/2020 at 10:38 PM, Akalifauj said:

Sant Jarnail Singh ji Khalsa Bhindranwale is saying in a speech that is on YouTube that he made a mandir in a village that didn't have one.  Take your arrogant stance and find it.  Maybe it will do you some good 

Assuming that this is true, that doesn't mean Sikhs have to build places of worship for all religions in all places at all times. Situations change. Guru peacefully undertook martyrdom; later Guru ji took up the sword.

What might be appropriate for friendly Hindus in one specific village might not be the case for others elsewhere at another time.

The question is not whether any Gurmukh ever did anything to benefit a non-Sikh. It is this: is what Ravi Singh and KA doing, to the extent they are doing it and places they are doing it, beneficial for our Panth?

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On 4/5/2020 at 10:21 AM, Premi5 said:

Is that true about Dasvsndh only for Panthic causes? 
 

what about ‘Sarbat da bhalla’ ?

yes dasvandh was only meant to protect the gareeb sikhs from being taken advantage of, doing parchaar of gurbani/sursikhi and running pangat (but history shows that sikhs used to donate seperately for degh and pangat)

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On 4/4/2020 at 11:20 PM, GurjantGnostic said:

Start with exactly that. And build in that direction.  I'm all for it. That's my point. Be for it. 

Be for the organizations that are for it. Make new ones that are for it. 

Be for having enough, having enough for those around you, having enough beyond that. 

I'm all for self determination, and collaboration. 

But our threads on stuff like that are empty. 

So let's frame it in the positive. 

 

 

too many organisation abound and zero coordination as shown in that video I posted about sikh NGOs meeting with authorities in Ludhiana , need was for langar for 100,000 but food for 500,000 was being made on daily basis in this time of hardship, then it was being givem to the same group of people in the same 4 locations by sikhs going one group after another. As the Singh says NO ONE is dying of hunger in the towns as those same labourers are being given food rations and money by either their bosses or the goverment ON TOP of them grabbing up langar and then 'feeding it to our cows because it makes our kids sick' .
wheat crops have failed this year due to combination of hailstorms and curfew only 30 % yield , we are wheat eaters  and what is the state government's response ? Not save stored grain for state population but to send 20 trainloads out of Punjab to other states who also have their own crops to eat. Remember this is the same Ahole who OK'd the deliberate flooding of punjab's fields to disrupt farming yields for 5 Years .

Punjabis are literally scared to say/do anything that the hindus may object to even if they are totally merciless in diverting all tax revenues to centre , reduce investment in healthcare to such an extent that there is no way hygiene could be maintained . fake medicines have flooded Punjab's markets killing those in need.

Sikhs HAVE TO COORDINATE efforts, resources outside of SGPC/RSS/CONGRESS/Akali  control Gurdwarey have to become property of Guru Panth ONLY and serve the people's needs : educational, medical, spiritual, Fitness and Defence. The days of Langar roadshows have to stop , these politicians will have us expend our last penny and cook our last grain to feed others so that we are brought to our knees. Time to put on our airmasks and help all other sikhs put on theirs . Guru ji did not do langar roadshows he made dharamshaley for those who came to His door; he helped and he didn't help those who could help themselves but expected people to do kirit first and if that failed then rely on langar.

Our own people are suffering in the villages behind closed doors , don't see many NGOs worrying about them ...

It is a truth that the most money collected for charity is by the sikhs in Uk, Canada  and India   we are talking millions of pounds/dollars and then we also donate time, effort food  on top . If we were  coordinated properly there would be proper use of Golak and no replication of effort and wastage . Quite easily we could build the hospital wards, vet clinics, schools colleges  with  which we could  serve our people and others to free education, healthcare , we could educate the nurses, doctors, scientists, engineers we need , we could give/lend money to farmers to switch to organic farming again and permaculture methods . Water preservation/harvesting could be a major target for sikhs as well since we are being squeezed from all sides for our natural river water. Problem is the wrong people are being listened to .

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Your Dasvandh to Khalsa Aid will help many who are suffering from natural disasters, conflicts and poverty all over the world. Khalsa Aid is the world’s first cross-border humanitarian relief organisation based on the Sikh teachings. We thank you for your support.

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From the Khalsa Aid website. As a Amritdhari, Ravi Singh should be aware what Daswandh is and how it has to be utilised but it either shows his deep ignorance or something more sinister. 

 

Maybe asking for Daswandh generates more donations rather than just asking for daan. Most Sikhs are not so knowledgeable to know the difference so KA gets away with this. 

 

 

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