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Guru Nanak taught there is no Hindu and no Muslim, only One. Therefore there is no conversion. Muslims wanted the Gurus to convert, but there was nothing to convert from. There’s only and has Always o

I wouldn't rule it out. Bhai Jagraj Singh went in. Challenged the colonialist narrative in most juts mind (remember the BBC Debate?); put focus on the devious secretive actions of the british gov

Agree. It's mostly - but not always limited to - something posted by Sikh girls / young women who've had some "fun" in their teens and early 20s with Muslims, Hindus, and others. It eventually dawns u

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The name of the game is sacrifice and for a convert to prove they are true to their belief then they would be willing to sacrifice alot for it even their own lives. Now most punjabi/indian Sikhs have been tested in history and are firm and loyal to Sikhi and many will lay down their lives if need be for it right now.

However converts to Sikhi have not been tested like this yet their faith maybe weak especially 3HO types this is why they are not seen as genuine or real Sikhs by the majority. Many are seen as flip flops and will change their religion when it suits them or make hybrid new age cult to suit their manmukh self centric yoga worshiping carefree hippy lifestyle because they do not know the meaning of sacrifice for Sikhi.

They haven't had to face political violence from the indian state they haven't had to face religious persecution from violent hordes of Islamic or christian invaders bent on killing, raping, pillaging and converting. This is why they can not relate properly to the views and experiences of punjabi/Indian Sikhs.

We all have manmukh selfish tendencies the gurmukh is the one who listens, contemplates and obeys by implementing guru's wisdom in their lives and be ready to sacrifice their lives or what they hold dear in their hearts for Sikhi.

As the guru says in bani.....those who are sincere in their belief and want to play the game of love for him must be ready to sacrifice their head for it because those who do not like Sikhi or you for being a Sikh may come after you one day.

 

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On 4/11/2020 at 6:01 PM, Kau89r8 said:


Guru Nanak taught there is no Hindu and no Muslim, only One. Therefore there is no conversion. Muslims wanted the Gurus to convert, but there was nothing to convert from. There’s only and has Always only been Truth and Illusion. And the Gurus came to teach the Uncorrupted Truth. 
 

Remember that Sikh means student. 

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On 4/12/2020 at 12:43 AM, genie said:

 

The late Bhai Jagraj Singh of basics of Sikhi had identified the problems and was helping change the thinking of younger Sikhs into becoming more Sikh centric. Some conspiracy theorists say he was poisoned and killed off by non-sikh powers that didnt like his pro-sikhi parchar and how he was creating a revolution in thinking amoung Sikhs. If we look at basics of sikhi right now its become a lefty liberal nonsense of a organisation with uninspiring shows afraid to tackle real issues and call out parasites attacking the kaum be they muslim groomers trying to groom sikh girls, islamic extremists attacking sikhs or other aggressors .

How likely is it do you think ?

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10 hours ago, Premi5 said:

How likely is it do you think ?

Very likely and possible. There are many ways to poison someone. Doctors failing to properly test and diagnose is unacceptable in this day and age. 

My mother was told her tumour was benign only to be told it was cancer months later when the lump had grown large and recommended surgery.

Even when I had symptoms the hospital lost my samples so had to repeat tests. Only then to be told that though inflammation was detected, they wanted to repeat the tests the next month. 

And don't get me started on the fact that cancer cures are blocked by the Cancer Act 1939 to protect the drug industry. 

Whatever happened to the hippocratic oath?

 

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3 hours ago, Suchi said:

Very likely and possible. There are many ways to poison someone. Doctors failing to properly test and diagnose is unacceptable in this day and age. 

My mother was told her tumour was benign only to be told it was cancer months later when the lump had grown large and recommended surgery.

Even when I had symptoms the hospital lost my samples so had to repeat tests. Only then to be told that though inflammation was detected, they wanted to repeat the tests the next month. 

And don't get me started on the fact that cancer cures are blocked by the Cancer Act 1939 to protect the drug industry. 

Whatever happened to the hippocratic oath?

 

Hypocritic oath?

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11 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

Around the end of last year someone (I can't remember who) proved it was a manufactured quote that was deliberately circulated on social media places like Insta, FB, etc. Probably a joker who was stirring the pot, lol.

Nah, that 'quotes' been around for many decades.  

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2 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

I never said it wasn't. It just managed to make its way onto the web as a distributable "meme" in relatively recent times. I vaguely recall someone last Christmas or so making an Instagram post that debunked it as having no basis in Gurbani.

 

It was what hoes used to say when challenged on their promiscuity decades ago. lol

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2 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

Agree. It's mostly - but not always limited to - something posted by Sikh girls / young women who've had some "fun" in their teens and early 20s with Muslims, Hindus, and others. It eventually dawns upon them that they were used and discarded (either willingly or otherwise). This usually coincides with the period around which they're expected to marry someone from their own religious background, and they begin to realise that their hedonism has left them unable to form a bond with a potential husband.

In order to placate that conscience of theirs that's beginning to trouble them, they seek to find some religious justification for why contrition for their mistakes is unimportant but other people accepting and not judging their mistakes is what a truly spiritual person would do.  So they post these cryptic (or so they believe) quotes they attribute to Gurbani as a means of broadcasting to the world how wonderfully enlightened and egalitarian they are, in the hope they get thousands of likes, and thus justifying their earlier behaviour.

I think it's simpler than that, I think (in terms of antecedents) it stems from a lazy paraphrasing of Baba Nanak's words about truthful living, as well as advice he gave to various sects/groups to shake off their dogmatic religious practices. 

This stuff ended up being lazily summarised and paraphrased to justify elicit relationships, along with: 'We're all equal in God's eyes, it doesn't matter who I date.'

That all being said, looking back, the knowledge some young people have of our bani, heritage , language and ithihaas these days is unprecedented. In the past, when people would come out with the statement we are talking about, most people didn't know that these words didn't exist, and didn't have the linguistic skills or resources to challenge it or look it up. 

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