What will Western Sikhs do when the whip-hand becomes Islamic in the next few decades?

[dallysingh101]

10 hours ago, AjeetSingh2019 said:

What will Western Sikhs do when the whip-hand becomes Islamic in the next few decades?

Sikhs having to live under barbarian inhuman islamic regimes that persecutes them?. Hmm, sounds familiar !

Jokes aside, sikhs will maybe migrate to some other non-western countries. Anyways now that we're used to getting kicked , might as well take it once more , and once more and once more .....

Let 2000 yrs simmer this way. Hopefully the tea will be ready. And Sikhs will finally understand no one is theirs . And then we might have a sikh state somewhere in punjab. 

Jews literally learnt this way and now they have israel.

 

EDIT -- 

Sorry for the rude comments . Although you have to give it to the muslims for the laalach they have for their apne and prosperity and growth of its community . They managed to fight with majority hindus and get away with 1/3rd of land (pak ) and even then remained back in india and are now causing riots over CAA . They have their fair representation in India too. There is only one national holiday in india for sikhs , but for every eid there's a national holiday , so that adds to 4-5 national holidays for islam in india. 

but that wasn't' enough , they hadn't forgotten the insult that britishers had done to them by destroying their "pious" mughal empire , so they are now trying hard to muslim-ize the kingdom that took away theirs. Most muslims in UK are of paki and bangla descent. 

I mean deviousness asides , you have to give them the claps for it. 

On the other hand, britishers

-totally destroyed our tiny kingdom ,

-messed up our religion ,

-had banned our kirpans

-and tried taking over our holiest sites,

-converted our prince ,

-and then also aided indian govt on how to attack our holiest shrine on holy day

-still has possession of khalsa raj like the valuables of Ranjit singh's family and so on

and what we do ??

we fought for them in world wars, we bend over backwards to garner heaps of praises that hardly translate to anything productive for us in reality . That's why people like Borris Johnson get away with making fun of Taranjeet Dhesi's turban and I am sure the brits in their private gatherings must be making us a laughing stock for how gullible we are to this day and as their servants, when infact british empire is the worst thing , worse than mughals that happened to us.

 

There is a deep rooted slave mentality amongst many apnay, especially rural ones (and that's not pointing at any one caste). This type will start pointing fingers at a particular group at various times as the enemy, but completely forget that other groups, who they now curiously consider to be some sort of sakhat bhund-yaars (sorry for putting it in such a blunt, crude and Panjabi way), did exactly the same (if not worse) to us only a short while ago - as you've expressed above.

If we can learn anything from the recent colonial subjugation, it's that a lot of apnay can be indoctrinated en masse with relative ease. If this is the case, maybe a new generation of leaders in the panth should now focus on 're-educating' the hordes of apnay, with a more intelligent,  rational, considered interpretation of their heritage, that doesn't (slyly) revolve around debilitating notions of jaat-paat and (on a related note) doesn't weirdly cling to some outdated, colonial era 'subject' Stockholm syndrome psychosis - that further cements the slave mentality. We know that goray considered lumpen sections of our community as docile and targeted them as inroads into trying to completely redefine our panth along lines that were of more benefit to them than us. 

To me, when you start interacting with Dasam Granth on more than just a surface interpretation level, it looks like Guru ji was acutely aware of the dimwittedness of a lot of apnay, and went overboard to combat this by introducing lots of complex cultural, linguistic, didactic, military, political, social matters for them to consider and cut their minds on - evidently a big aim was to increase their intellectual consideration (which doesn't mean that people can hide behind this and avoid the junghi aspects which involve bravery and sacrifice).   

It should be obvious to anyone with even half a brain, that the biggest battle we have to fight is not with these outsiders who are just taking apparent advantage of an internal weakness,  but with those inside who, either through ignorance or selfishness, help perpetuate this subjugate mentality amongst us, probably driven by their own cowardice and self-serving agendas - this is the fifth column we need to root out first and urgently. We have to be acutely aware of sociopaths who've wormed their way into positions of power amongst us too. 

We are a strong, resilient people, we have a beautiful, rich, complex and prudent Sikhi heritage - what else is going to help us navigate out of whatever mess we are in now - and whatever may transpire in future???   

[SYA12]

 

7 hours ago, proactive said:

This is an interesting thread. Sikhs in the west or even say Sikhs outside India have  few options which aren't mutually exclusive. Like the Jews our longer term goal should be the creation of a Sikh state because no matter where you move to you will always be under the control of the government of that country. Today the Jews are probably in the best position of all the inhabitants of the west because when the proverbial hits the fan they have a country to flee to and feel safe. Already many Jews from France and Sweden and other western country have already moved to Israel. They have an concept called 'Aliya' or going up which is what Jews call moving to Israel.  Many of those Jews who haven't moved  to Israel have bought property there so that when the worst happens they have somewhere to live in Israel. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM7QEG9v2GQ

If Sikhs move to a country like Madagascar, although this is a Christian county, it is still close to hot spots where Islamic countries and Islamic terrorist movements exist. Mozambique and Congo were once far from Islamic influence and today they have active Islamic terrorist movements. Also moving to third world countries have their own problems because no doubt if Sikhs moved to an area then they would have a much higher standard of living then the native population and this will cause resentment. We have the example of countries like Uganda where the Asians were thrown out and had to leave their wealth and properties behind and with only a few pounds in their pockets. So moving to a third world country is an option fraught with dangers.

A better option is to move to a western country which does not have a very big Muslim population and where the government is aware of the threat posed by unrestricted Muslim immigration. Australia probably has the best options for Sikhs. It is a vast land and in some places the land is very cheap and if a some Sikhs want to move there they are at least under a western government and not a third world one. There are lots of farms such a dairy or agricultural which can be bought and which can be worked to earn a living. There is already a Sikh community in a place called Woolgooga where there are many banana plantations. The community seems more traditional and has been there for many decades. Here are some videos of the community in 1984

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Atgk0M2_SI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbYYPxfR5-E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYGObCxGma8

Here some more modern videos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fSVE77Ll1I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NQFPKyo0QQ

In Australia you can live a pioneer life the further you go into the outback and yet still be close to modern facilities a few hours away. The only downside will be that you will pick up the Australian accent where every sentence ends in a question! 

Another option could be to get together with a number of Sikh families and buy an island somewhere. Mel Gibson bought an Island close to Fiji which is a freehold property so he is pretty much independent of any government and he paid about $15 million in 2004.

https://virtualglobetrotting.com/map/mel-gibsons-private-island/view/google/

The island is about 22 sq kms so it's quite large but I don't know whether they have any hurricanes or tornadoes. Although I'm sure if there was a tornado on the Island, Khalsa Aid will not doubt rush their volunteers there to start up a langar for Mel Gibson! 

Australia has one of the most expensive property prices in the world. The average price of a house in Sydney is 600k GBP.

Same as Canada.

I think the better place is New Zealand, or South America. Chile has a small local convert of Sikhs 3HO types but they are respected by locals. 

I went to Chile in full kes and distaar. I get more 'looks' in the UK than in Chile. 

[Big_Tera]

On 4/17/2020 at 1:20 PM, MisterrSingh said:

If birth rates continue as the they are, and the default immigrant experience is shaped according to the representatives of the largest minority, do you people ever envisage a moment where you'll say, "Enough is enough. This situation is not looking good for us." Or will you meekly shrug your shoulders and hope the powers-that-be won't exploit you too much. Are you thinking what type of world your children, and their children, will be born into, or are you easily shamed into silence and compliance by the corrupt press and the media when they start throwing around words such as "conspiracies" and "Islamophobia"?

Ironically, even the Muslim is a pawn in all of this. A weapon. But before Islam and its adherents will be discarded once they've served their purpose, they will have cast a dark shadow on this entire world. 

Any plans, or just hope for the best? 

What about Republic of Ireland? It's a beautiful country very near and has very low Muslim population. Their country is not like the UK. Where they let anyone in. 

Also The irish and Sikhs are very similar. Many Irish would welcome us there as they know the difference between Sikhs and Muslims. We could all start learning some Irish lap dancing first though.

Other options

Scotland

Wales

Scandinavia

Poland

Russia

There are many island around the world. That are waiting for mass Sikh migration. 

 

 

[Premi5]

19 minutes ago, Big_Tera said:

What about Republic of Ireland? It's a beautiful country very near and has very low Muslim population. Their country is not like the UK. Where they let anyone in. 

Also The irish and Sikhs are very similar. Many Irish would welcome us there as they know the difference between Sikhs and Muslims. We could all start learning some Irish lap dancing first though.

Other options

Scotland

Wales

Scandinavia

Poland

Russia

There are many island around the world. That are waiting for mass Sikh migration. 

 

 

You spent time in Ireland?

 

irish in England know about Sikhs but not sure if native Irish do

[MisterrSingh]

Based on the replies in this thread, we're frigged. Totally frigged.

[GurjantGnostic]

3 hours ago, Big_Tera said:

What about Republic of Ireland? It's a beautiful country very near and has very low Muslim population. Their country is not like the UK. Where they let anyone in. 

Also The irish and Sikhs are very similar. Many Irish would welcome us there as they know the difference between Sikhs and Muslims. We could all start learning some Irish lap dancing first though.

Other options

Scotland

Wales

Scandinavia

Poland

Russia

There are many island around the world. That are waiting for mass Sikh migration. 

 

 

Not a bad list of suggestions. I trust you meant tap dancing though brother. Hah.

In spirit I say your Gaelic and Welsh brothers and sisters welcome you. 

Maybe Africa, Jamaica, or South America?

What is about to be a not popular suggestion...Morocco?

That unclaimed island sounds pretty sweet. 

[GurjantGnostic]

1 hour ago, MisterrSingh said:

Based on the replies in this thread, we're frigged. Totally frigged.

Really it sounds like it will take communities in a variety of places interacting with the world economy to secure a separate island state etc.

[genie]

We as a kaum should have brought a small island to develop a nation long ago just as a based to have free speech and thought for Sikhi. There are small groups of Sikhs in argentina, mexico, chile, even andormon islands off the indian coast.

We are spread all around the globe like jews, who were for thousands of years roaming around to get back to their nation israel. And only by owning international financial banking power did they manage control western governments and eventually get back to their homeland and re-create israel in 1948.

Similar Sikhs need to think long term how to liberate punjab from indian and pakistani occuption as part of a long term goal in the mean time develop ourselves financially and look to convert those who seek to convert us.

[GurjantGnostic]

2 minutes ago, genie said:

We as a kaum should have brought a small island to develop a nation long ago just as a based to have free speech and thought for Sikhi. There are small groups of Sikhs in argentina, mexico, chile, even andormon islands off the indian coast.

We are spread all around the globe like jews, who were for thousands of years roaming around to get back to their nation israel. And only by owning international financial banking power did they manage control western governments and eventually get back to their homeland and re-create israel in 1948.

Similar Sikhs need to think long term how to liberate punjab from indian and pakistani occuption as part of a long term goal in the mean time develop ourselves financially and look to convert those who seek to convert us.

I don't want to derail but, white jews aren't jews veer ji. Jew-ish are not Jews. 

Israel is a nation, but it's not been given back to anyone. Israel is as authentic to Judah as America is to American Indians. 

Not saying we can't learn from kibutz. 

[genie]

26 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

I don't want to derail but, white jews aren't jews veer ji. Jew-ish are not Jews. 

Israel is a nation, but it's not been given back to anyone. Israel is as authentic to Judah as America is to American Indians. 

Not saying we can't learn from kibutz. 

I know bro, they are most of the white pale looking jews from eastern europe are ashkanazi jews whose ancestors are alleged to have converted in the 10th century. It's the shepardi jews who are the original ones most of them are dark in skin tone.

The true jews consider israel as a perversion of biblical prophercy and a fake israel. They are right it is mostly a capitalist money worshipping atheist Rothschild israel which was created.

But in general as a community of believers they have managed to get their nation state re-established through being top dogs in international finance where they are able to be puppet masters of western governments and enslave other nations through debt and interest loans. Similar Sikhs did try something in 1980s by creating a Sikh bank in punjab to fund self sufficiency within the sikh community but indira gandhi's congress government took it over and shut it down.